• SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social
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    1 month ago

    Kinda tongue-in-cheek questions, but: Honey isn’t an animal body part, it isn’t produced by animal bodies, so if it is an animal product because bees process it, is wheat flour (for example) an animal product because humans process it? How about hand-kneaded bread? Does that make fruit an animal product because the bees pollinated the flowers while collecting the nectar?

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      1 month ago

      Bees make honey for their hive. Honey also does indeed contain bodily fluids from the bees.

      The bread making human consents to you taking the bread (presumably). Breast milk and other human bodily fluids can be vegan for the same reason.

      And insects pollinate plants not because they use the fruit, but for the nectar. They don’t care what happens after they leave the flower.

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      Think about it as if its about consent. The bees don’t consent to their honey being taken. Cows don’t consent to be repeatedly impregnated and milked. Pigs don’t consent to their butts becoming bacon. Chickens don’t consent to their eggs being taken.

      However, the miller and the baker both consented to milling/kneading, and later selling their wares.

      Human breast milk can be vegan, though, if given freely. If you forcefully take human breast milk, then it is no longer vegan.

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          1 month ago

          Technically, yes.

          Assuming the canabee is consenting freely, and likely has to be done in a way not violating other laws. Like some variety of a pain kink where people slice of small portions of each others meaty bits and eat them. That’s probably a thing, though likely not very popular among vegans.