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- cartographyanarchy@lemm.ee
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/22680392
Thinking of red states vs blue states is busted. Plenty of good visualizations of this over the years, but this election in particular feels really important to point out “We” did not chose this.
When I say we I mean registered US voters, but even less so citizens, and even less so again residents.
Even of the voters who did vote for the GOP candidate, who can say how many really wanted him or his policies vs they just didn’t want more of the status quo Dems.
The popular vote tallies in this graphic are out of date too, He definitely didn’t win in a landslide the way it can appear with red and blue maps. His win in the popular vote was also pretty small now that more votes have been counted. https://www.thenation.com/…/donald-trump-vote-margin…/
So, what if Biden used broad immunity SCOTUS granted to declare a crisis of democracy - That between massive disinformation campaigns by enemies both foreign and domestic, voter suppression, as well as many other factors, the will of the people can’t be discerned from our recent presidential election. That it would be a dereliction of duty both to the people and to his oath to defend the constitution to hand over power to someone whose clear and declared intent is abuse the power of the office to fundamentally reshape or demolish our republic based on this highly suspect and incomplete result (remember, most people didn’t even vote)
Here is my off the cuff proposal for what to do after that
A new election, everyone must vote. Trump and Harris on the ballot, but each major party must offer 2 candidates, and we’re using Ranked Choice Voting. 1st place gets presidency, 2nd place gets VP.
Biden almost certainly won’t do anything like this. He is clearly a coward with a stupid sense of optimism - a “things will be just fine, no need for any drastic measures” ever, mentality, and despite some rhetoric has shown no signs that he thinks there is anything to actually be concerned about from the party which has veered hard towards fascism. But, hey, a guy can dream.
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If you didn’t vote you voted for this
maybe not voted but they definitely chose this. choosing to let whatever happens actually happen was a choice.
We didn’t vote, for this.
“I sat on my ass! You’re welcome!”
Major political parties: Absolute shameless corruption and self-dealing while a thriving economy that could support families and rewarding living, sharing the unimaginable wealth of the modern world pretty equitably among any working person, collapses into an Uber-driving no health insurance hellscape. Give vote pls tho
Voters: Man fuck this
Major political parties: Shocked Pikachu face
Voters: Don’t really care about news or politics or really anything except video games and vape, I heard on social media that Biden is bad for the economy and Facebook has never lied to me in the past. I’m going to sit home and whack off instead of trying to effect some positive change in our politics
Trump: Hey just so you know, I’m going to have the military start shooting people I don’t like, pretty much the instant I’m back in power
Voters: Shocked Pikachu face
Edit: Typo
Yep. I hate everything.
Hate to break it to you but “didn’t vote” isn’t a candidate.
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So, what if Biden used broad immunity SCOTUS granted to declare a crisis of democracy
You’re proposing that Biden do the very thing you claim to loathe. You’re proposing he engage in the behavior you suspect trump may engage in. Do you realize how unhinged your statements are? Invalidating an election would be the end of American democracy. Forcing people to vote who chose to abstain would be the end of American liberty. You want to do something because you’re afraid it might be done. This was the election. These are the choices people made. Proposing radical responses because you didn’t like the outcome puts you in the same category as the January 6th insurrectionists from 2020.
I agree with most of your points, but mandatory voting is not anti-freedom in my book. Plenty of places have it (Australia for example) and people can always choose to invalidate their ballot if they don’t want to make a choice.
You need more then two parties for that to work. What happens if you get more spoiled ballots then anything else? Maybe no president for 4 years?
The candidate with the most unspoiled ballots wins…
It’s also literally never happened in the entire history of Australia. There’s usually about 10% “informal” votes (spoiled ballots in your parlance).
Second highest voter turn out in US history.
Please Please Please stop this.
Didn’t you hear the “High Voter Turnout!” was media spin, they admitted afterwards that it was low
Its so far (the counting will not be in for a bit) the second highest voter turn out. No one “admitted” it was low, the numbers above show it was high (second to 2020). This whole endless blaming of “non-voters” is pathetic and the same line of reasoning devalues literally every other election then 2020 held in the USA.
Bro, That makes no sense considering how can voter turnout be high but votes cast was lower than 2020.
Did people just show up and not cast votes?
2020 was the highest in history of us elections with 65.8% of eligible voters turning in a ballot, 2024 (so far as counted) is 63.7% of eligible voters turning in a ballot. The delta between the second highest (2024) and the highest (2020) is only 2,624,285 votes, and this number will shrink if anything once the official count is in.
You seem to think an over 60% turn out is bad, when it is very high for non mandatory voting. Look at 1988 with a 52.8% turn out and even then no one pulled this weak line of crap out in defense of Dukakis.
The presumption here is that all the non voters would’ve voted against Trump - but even among motivated voters, that wasn’t true. So who’s to say more voters would’ve materially altered the outcome? What makes it likely there’s a different outcome with more voices…? As I remember, it seemed like Kamala was behind all along
Also, the electoral outcomes don’t change much if the yellow state was already aligned to your preference 🤷♂️ my vote wouldn’t change the outcome of my state, years of voting on principle for independent and non incumbents have proven that to me, so why bother voting for the pres?
Especially when it is literally giant douche v turd sandwich - neither option represents a win.
that’s not the point being made
What, and please tell us the point that is being made?
Is it that the election was not valid? Is it that the Democrats are somehow not the loser? Is it that the majority of Americans showed up to vote?
it’s about how many people didn’t vote. that’s literally it
They’re definitely not going to vote for a Democrat if the sitting Democrat president strips them of their liberty and right to abstane, and forces them into a ballot booth.
Statistically it doesn’t matter The central limit theorem, would allow for a sample size as small as 500 people randomly distributed to be an accurate representation of a group of trillions, it is a bit more complicated than that since the us is not random but carefully crafted districts, but as long as 50-100 people voted is each district or even the majority of districts then adding more people is just redundant.
I like how you briefly acknowledge that this isn’t a random sample, but then hand wave it away and act like the same conclusions can be drawn from it as though it were a random sample.
I bring you a bag of red and blue balls to sample from, but before this I let a guy who really likes blue balls take some balls out of the bag. After taking a sampling from the bag, you conclude that there are many more red balls than blue balls. Is this a valid representation of the population?
Oh no, that’s not what I’m saying at all, it is %100 biased but changing the total number of voters will not change which direction is biased to.
That holds only if you assume that random chance decides whether someone votes or not. That is a big assumption to make. A lot of factors that affect your ability or willingness to vote also affect your political leaning, so I highly doubt that it’s a reasonable assumption.
No, that is true as long as all external factors remain constant, if X went off the air and suddenly we have a decrease of republican’s the ratio would change, however if both sides pushed harder and got more total voters it would stay consistent.
Sure… but what use is that analysis? There’s no magic magnitude dial that scales the vote counts evenly. The vote counts reflect the reality of the situation. Who has easier access to voting? Who believes that there is a candidate worth voting for? Etc. Even if we were just talking about “both sides pushing harder” they’re not going to be equally effective at it.
How many of the non-voters would vote if online voting was an option? I am sure there are many technical hurdles for online voting, but surely it would increase turnout and is not too far out of the realm of possibility?
Paper creates a better physical trail to avoid tampering. The time commitment should be reduced by allowing voting by mail, even better if it’s mandatory. Easily enforced with a tax break for participating and just sending back a receipt of vote recorded accurately.
It’s a terrible idea the more you look into it. Seems great at first for sure, but you do not want it. Too easy to mess with it.
Its pretty difficult to do… Cleo Abrams has an amazing video about this exact thing. If you want the shorter version of the video, here you go.
I have no shame in not voting anymore. There’s nothing that’s gonna change anyways. Find me someone who can actually change our living conditions and isn’t out for themselves. I’m tired of trying to determine who’s lying or who’s the best of the worst situation. I avoided politics pretty damn well up until 2016. I say this from the very depths of my soul, fuck America. It’s full of racist pieces of shit just trying to load their pockets and turning every single one of us citizens against each other.
For those people who say “then leave” hand me the money and I’m gone.
All I want is for people to have food, home, and health but because some how in this country that’s been turned into a political statement instead of a way of life. The country can’t grow if we don’t…
Maga thanks you for your support.
Preach
fuck America. it’s full of racist pieces of shit just trying to load their pockets and turning every single one of us citizens against each other.
I feel you on this point. I am new to this though and you seem like you’ve been here for a bit. I was pretty patriotic for a lefty but this election broke all of that.
I do have a disagreement and a counter argument though. America is not “full” of these people, although I won’t argue there are clearly a great many, without question. There are good people everywhere, like you (and I hope me too), who have their priorities in order. The good people won’t compromise though, to their credit usually, but we have to play chess in order to change the rules. That means winning with votes. That means good people will have to learn to compromise. Unless you are willing to run for office. I’ll vote for you. I don’t want you to leave (and I don’t have the money, sorry).
I’m trying to tell you that you are looking at it backwards, and its intentional. The purpose is to make you (me, everyone opposed) so frustrated and defeated that we won’t vote. Please fucking vote.
