So you’re arguing that TikTok US, despite being fully owned and controlled by China, has full independence and decision making capability? Even regular western companies don’t have that. What the home office says, goes. At most, their American operations are making sure they’re abiding by US law with regards to data and such (and even then I’d highly doubt that, given all the forensic breakdowns about TikTok sending encrypted data to China).
If it sends encrypted data to China it would be the first I’ve heard of it. The worst the news could come up with last time is headcount data. And yes they went on an entire project to silo it. At the end of the day they want the money, and TikTok shop provides it. Other than that they sell the same info Meta does on the open market.
So? It doesn’t matter what internal bureaucratic sleight of hand they pull. The bosses are in the CCP, and when they say ‘jump’, the answer is going to be ‘how high?’. That’s how private companies work.
At the end of the day they want the money
TikTok wants money. The CCP wants other stuff. As long as the CCP isn’t making demands, TikTok will make their money. The moment the CCP says to do something, TikTok will do it.
I really don’t think China is nearly as interested in siphoning data as controlling the algorithm. Getting people to see more pro-Chinese videos, more anti-US videos, and some bias toward candidates they want to see win is completely doable without exfiltrating any data.
Basically, all the stuff people are pissed about Musk doing to Twitter (changing algo to push right wing content) are just as feasible for TikTok to do, with the main difference being China is a state actor, whereas Musk is a private billionaire.
We should be very worried about any social media app that’s very popular and controlled by an org with political motivations.
I mean sure, if you can find any evidence they’re actually doing that. We have the best intelligence agencies in the world, both domestic and foreign facing. So where’s the meat?
Well, there’s a law to block it, and our intelligence agencies are pretty secretive, so there’s a good chance the proof exists.
I’m against banning it, not because I don’t think China is manipulating the algorithm (they probably are), but because I believe banning it is a violation of the 1st amendment. I refuse to use it, but I also refuse to ban others from using it.
That’s the problem though. Under that reasoning they can shut down any social media app. There’s specifically a catch all in the definition to do this so they don’t have to pass another law.
So you’re arguing that TikTok US, despite being fully owned and controlled by China, has full independence and decision making capability? Even regular western companies don’t have that. What the home office says, goes. At most, their American operations are making sure they’re abiding by US law with regards to data and such (and even then I’d highly doubt that, given all the forensic breakdowns about TikTok sending encrypted data to China).
If it sends encrypted data to China it would be the first I’ve heard of it. The worst the news could come up with last time is headcount data. And yes they went on an entire project to silo it. At the end of the day they want the money, and TikTok shop provides it. Other than that they sell the same info Meta does on the open market.
So? It doesn’t matter what internal bureaucratic sleight of hand they pull. The bosses are in the CCP, and when they say ‘jump’, the answer is going to be ‘how high?’. That’s how private companies work.
TikTok wants money. The CCP wants other stuff. As long as the CCP isn’t making demands, TikTok will make their money. The moment the CCP says to do something, TikTok will do it.
So all you have is supposition.
I really don’t think China is nearly as interested in siphoning data as controlling the algorithm. Getting people to see more pro-Chinese videos, more anti-US videos, and some bias toward candidates they want to see win is completely doable without exfiltrating any data.
Basically, all the stuff people are pissed about Musk doing to Twitter (changing algo to push right wing content) are just as feasible for TikTok to do, with the main difference being China is a state actor, whereas Musk is a private billionaire.
We should be very worried about any social media app that’s very popular and controlled by an org with political motivations.
I mean sure, if you can find any evidence they’re actually doing that. We have the best intelligence agencies in the world, both domestic and foreign facing. So where’s the meat?
Well, there’s a law to block it, and our intelligence agencies are pretty secretive, so there’s a good chance the proof exists.
I’m against banning it, not because I don’t think China is manipulating the algorithm (they probably are), but because I believe banning it is a violation of the 1st amendment. I refuse to use it, but I also refuse to ban others from using it.
That’s the problem though. Under that reasoning they can shut down any social media app. There’s specifically a catch all in the definition to do this so they don’t have to pass another law.
No shit. Do you think they would tell everyone? Do you think it would be easy to prove?
Easier than you think with the NSAs reported reach into back end Internet systems.
Do you think the NSA would tell everyone either?
I think they should be required to present their evidence if they want to 86 a company.