Like, the money not going to lemmy.ml but a cut going to two of their main admins

You realize that it’s not some smoke show that they’re “two of the main admins” right? That they are the two primary developers and creators of the entire platform and .ml was the initial flagship instance (which they literally directed people away from during the Reddit surge)?

^ the non-toxic instance users, everyone

You’re concern trolling and wrecking in multiple donations threads created to support the platform and the devs who created it. You can just leave and join one of the alternatives instead. Why wait.

Then jump

What’s your point? Are you banning the entire Internet?

All this stuff is still accessible once the bell rings and before they get to school, just like it was when I was a kid. Kids were still going on YouTube/MySpace/ Facebook and more to share things. This argument doesn’t make sense.

You’re attributing the issue of algorithms to the medium itself.

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A leftist/socialist/communist/Linux echo chamber is always better than a liberal one.

@ me

Remember when we once spoke about how a lot of Redditors are not people we want here and the culture here repulsing some isn’t necessarily a bad thing?

Well.

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Yep. There’s a reason I moved over even before the v4/2011 fiasco

I like that there is a large contingent of actual socialists whether soc dems, anarchists or the dreaded tankies.

I like that there is a greater anti corporate mindset and I’m less likely to see someone justify something because “well what do you expect, businesses exist to make money”.

I like that there are so many Linux and open source enthusiasts. And privacy enthusiasts. Used to be big on Reddit but became more and more niche over time.

I like that there aren’t pun threads. Maybe that’s not really true culture but more contrast with Reddit.

Then stop running defense for them. They’re another party of millionaires and capitalists

It’s not conspiracy.

This is what happens when you make your website amenable to conservatives. That sub has grown more popular through the years and it’s thanks to its satellites like KiA and others that organized and spread conservative messaging.

And right now they’re taking victory laps so of course it’s got a lot of activity

Nah, I just find amusement in someone who ostensibly considers themselves political (volunteers for the Dems!) being affronted when accurately told that being leftist entails more than what talk about on NPR and NYT. Even the Wikipedia summary of leftism states the modern left is anti-capitalist and liberalism is “center-left” at best. It’s just an example of the allowed spectrum of opinion and an example of how much the politico class ignores political theory outside that spectrum.

And we push back on it because allowing the right wing, mainstream media, and liberal parties to define liberalism as the left is exactly what helps push the Overton window to the right.

Instead of running away when confronted with that fact and creating a space for centrists to feel more comfortable, maybe y’all could listen instead.

No. My point was that as Reddit became more mainstream, it became more conservative. As it became more conservative, more conservative spaces were created like the Donald and gamergate subs. And people and ideas from those spaces ended up seeping into other “non political” subs, like technology, gaming, movies, etc.

The amount of xenophobia, transphobia, anti-feminism, etc. I saw in general purpose subs grew post Digg migration, especially in gamer subs as gamergate happened in 2014.

Conservatism and centrist liberalism are the dominant political beliefs in the US, UK, and seemingly most of Europe too. Those voices will outnumber and browbeat leftist voices over time if they join an online platform en masse, in my experience.

No one is going to change the world by posting. Very few people have the time or energy to discuss or debate every day. I’d rather just not deal with an entire host of opinions and takes that I already deal with every day in real life.

What I’ve learned over my time using sites like Digg and Reddit is that allowing conservative views to fester and form their communities on a platform allows them to organize and grow and seep into other “non political” spaces. The Donald, gamergate, transphobia, general reaction, whatever.

And the “anti-politics” enlightened centrist types are enablers that allow this.

If people come here and go “wow they sure are critical of Israel, America, Trump, and billionaires. I hate this”, then they’re self selecting themselves from joining and I just don’t think that’s a loss.

The measurement of a platform to me is the quality of the users, not the quantity.

Lol @ “who volunteered for the Democrats”. Ain’t that a microcosm of every American politico (especially Democrats) ignorant of actual political theory.

Imagine getting upset that someone accurately described “leftism” to you. I can only imagine it’s major cognitive dissonance after a lifetime of consuming mainstream political media calling liberalism “leftist” and pushing the overton window right.

Lemmy.world already is the “normie” instance catering to liberalism. Your friend either ran into the more progressive parts of that instance or an actual leftist from a federated one. Either way, they got told an accurate take.

Anyway, can we please stop all the attempts to make this place comfortable for conservative and right wing views in the name of “growth”? Have y’all actually been on a default subreddit in the last 15 years? Would that be worth it here?

Sounds to me more like it’s getting worse then, not better.

I’m sure there are fine people on Reddit who don’t know about Lemmy, but your quoted examples consist mostly of certain type of faux-“apolitical” person and that’s where the solutioning is stemming from.

I don’t think bringing the average default sub Redditor over would be a net positive for the platform.

Sounds like we’re filtering out the exact type of people I would never want to come from Reddit. Dunno why y’all want them.

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