Sure that’s fair I’d argue a classist view is more suitable than a gendered one. Regardless, I’m talking more about within progressive circles. If you want the support of people not in your specific circumstances or ‘group,’ you need to support them in facing their issues. Some of the issues young men are facing are loneliness, feelings of worthlessness (not being able to provide) and social exclusion. You may personally think these are not issues, but young men very much do. By not supporting them in their causes you make it much harder to convince them to support you in yours. I think a suitable analogy can be found in the LGBT community. Gay people who aren’t trans support trans people and their issues while trans people who aren’t gay support gay people and their issues. The unity between these groups strengthens the overall movement.
A need for what though? I guess I just don’t know what the ask is here.
A recognition that people are lonely? That it’s hard to provide for people? That message seems pretty alive in leftist spaces, no? Hating capitalism, building community, it’s kind of their thing.
This is why I think it’s a messaging problem. I think the solution is there, and it’s just not packaged up for these people in a simple to understand way.
If you don’t let white men have a space at the table they’ll make their own and they won’t let anyone else sit with them, just saying.
We already do, and have done, for centuries.
Sure that’s fair I’d argue a classist view is more suitable than a gendered one. Regardless, I’m talking more about within progressive circles. If you want the support of people not in your specific circumstances or ‘group,’ you need to support them in facing their issues. Some of the issues young men are facing are loneliness, feelings of worthlessness (not being able to provide) and social exclusion. You may personally think these are not issues, but young men very much do. By not supporting them in their causes you make it much harder to convince them to support you in yours. I think a suitable analogy can be found in the LGBT community. Gay people who aren’t trans support trans people and their issues while trans people who aren’t gay support gay people and their issues. The unity between these groups strengthens the overall movement.
Just FYI the LGBT+ community isn’t as unified as you might think. A ton of older gay men are sexist or transphobic in my experience.
It’s a messaging program. Liberals want to provide mental health care and improve the minimum wage. That directly addresses what those young men need.
Well… are they? Have they been? If not then there is still a need for it in progressive spaces
A need for what though? I guess I just don’t know what the ask is here.
A recognition that people are lonely? That it’s hard to provide for people? That message seems pretty alive in leftist spaces, no? Hating capitalism, building community, it’s kind of their thing.
This is why I think it’s a messaging problem. I think the solution is there, and it’s just not packaged up for these people in a simple to understand way.
Well not saying the kinda stuff said at the start of the comment chain would be a good start.