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Newbie question here… What’s the difference between federated and de-federated?
Federated means that any instance that is federated with them receives their content and can bee seen on that instance.
Defederated means they are not federated anymore, thus blocking both users and content.
It’s usually done to combat content you don’t want on your instance
Ok ok… So me using Lemmy.world is a specific instance of Lemmy, so it’s almost like its own server? And other instances (maybe lemmy.unitiedstates?) is its own federated instance likely related to just U.S. posts and it can communicate with other instances? Do de-federated instances have no other communication with instances?
Apologies if these are silly, I feel like a dum dum because everyone else seems to grasp this except me.
So you need to look at the number of de federations. That is basically how many other instances have blocked them and do not receive content from them to their feed. You can still go to all these instances using their respective urls and see what they are like. The reasons for blocking them vary depending on the instance. Edit: They can still be federated with other instances that don’t block them creating their own little fediverse bubbles.
Defederated means that the server has been forbidden from connecting and communicating with specific other servers that have decided to defederate with it, so users from the server can’t see or interact with users and posts on the server that defederated it and vice versa. Hopefully I was clear and coincise.
This is why I believe federation should be an opt-in process rather than servers being federated by default.
Some of you may remember when Lemmy World was flooded with CSAM by other hostile instances and had to temporarily disable image uploads.
That would destroy the already limited content of the fedi. It’s like people hate content discovery for some reason.
It’s almost like federation is a stupid fucking idea that doesn’t work
It’s almost like it’s fundamentally broken and no one else wants to admit it
What do you think towns and cities are
Stupid fucking ideas.
there are peoples who create instances for their families, who is going to manually federate with all these small instances?
Lemmy supports both blacklist and whitelist federation, but the only large instance that uses whitelist federation as far as I know currently is Hexbear.
This is a real rogues gallery of internet. And… a soccer team from Detroit. What the fuck did those guys do?
Enjoy soccer - the most heinous of social crimes
As someone from Detroit, I checked out the link for that instance, and uhhhh I wish I hadn’t.
Yeah, I did the same. I was thinking, “cool, an instance close to home… Oh God… no… No no no”
What was it? This list really piques my curiosity but I know it’s better not to look….
Just racist pedo bullshit
I wonder why gameliberty.club is the only Mastodon instance in this list that uses the old blue logo.
Because they are still on version 3
Right
Where/how is this obtained?
I’m curious about seeing an entire list of defederated instances.
Where/how is this obtained?
I’m curious about seeing an entire list of defederated instances.
fba.ryona.agency
Be aware that it doesn’t track when lemmy instances defederate from other fediverse instances correctly and hasn’t for months, and that it’s run someone from one of those 50 defederated instances.
What was iddqd? My guess is gore, but not interested to check.
Surprised Gab isn’t the record holder, it was the big deal example the fediverse advocates held up as how awesome the fediverse is at moderating itself, especially the “defed if federated with” rule instances started using to actually quarantine the users from Gab
Why was Alex Gleason defederated?
I think he was employed by truth social for a while, and it might have been just because of his prior involvement as a programmer. But could be wrong about him working there or wrong about that being the reason.
Huh. I would have bet Lemmygrad would be up there somewehre.
I think this highlights what people think when they hear “defederating” vs its actual purpose. It’s controversial when it’s between serious instances that people actually use but with wildly incompatible opinions, but there’s very few objections when it’s blocking CSAM!
Okay, yeah this was my thought as I wrote this, I won’t deny it. But to be fair, LemmyGrad does more than just to be controversial. They provoke and brigade and justify terrible Crimes against Humanity. And I might bet that some of the Stuff they say could even be illegal here in Germany.
I imagine most of the big servers have them blocked but it’s probably the individual servers that make up the majority of the numbers. If you’re self-hosting then you can just ignore instances you don’t like and be relatively confident they won’t hassle you. The other kind though, probably want to preempt them!
I bet a large part of the Fediverse are Communist/Socialist too, or have similar ideas. Lemmy’s devs are, after all.
I mean, the whole thing is based on the idea of being free to use for everyone.
I see your Point. I see myself also as rather left. But the People over at Lemmygrad are not really left imo. They are authoritarian, for sure. But left? I don’t know. I don’t want to claim to be the sole “Incarnation of leftism” it’s just that many of my views and beliefs are the opposite of theirs.
The spectrum is more than left and right, I know political compass memes on Reddit got taken over by nazis but there is legitimately a whole compass. Stalin is somewhat center left, nudist hippie communes are lower left corner
Being vehemently against racism and fascism is left. It’s the logical extreme opposite of “a certain group of people are superior to everyone else”: “everyone is equal and their basic necessities should be provided for free”
You just seem to disagree with the folks over on grad and Lemmy devs on how that can be achieved, and maybe to what extent it should be. They believe an authority is necessary to enforce those rules, or you get corporations and billionaires steering the government to wage wars for profit from oil, materials etc. like what’s happening now.
Personally, I see being pro-China like they are on grad as much less worrying than being pro-US, the latter of which I have a feeling .world mods wouldn’t block because of their inherent western bias. Only one of the two have constantly invaded other countries for their resources, or overthrown democratically elected foreign governments to replace them with military dictatorships.
Only one of the two have constantly invaded other countries
The People of Tibet might disagree there. But this is a discussion for another Time.
I’m not pro US either, tho. I just call out evil when I see it. And that’s my Problem with Lemygrad. They seem to believe there are only two sides. I can say America does bad things and China, Russia etc. does bad things. They pick one side and argue and justify away the crimes “their” Side has done. And that’s not how we come forward. Evil is Evil is Evil. No matter who does it.
They pick one side and argue and justify away the crimes “their” Side has done
That’s a heavy oversimplification of everything on there… I see the folks on grad being mad about bad decisions by China just the same; they just heavily scrutinize negative news for bias or misinfo, as people should do for everything.
If you do scrutinize your news and sources, I think it’s only natural that you’d end up being very anti-west/imperialism, and far less anti-China, specially considering the grip western media and news have on the world. The two are just not equivalent at all.
The People of Tibet might disagree there
Here’s an example of that. The fact that China’s education system makes sure ~90% of Tibetans can speak their cultural language compared to the ~8% of North Americans that can speak theirs means they’re just not equivalent. The only countries accusing China of such a fucked up crime like cultural repression are western ones with a political/economic interest for doing so. Muslim countries and the global south side with China on this and Xinjiang.
You don’t get it. I don’t compare. It is not that is worse than that. China attacked Tibet and conquered their Land. I don’t need to compare this to the US. I don’t care if Country XYZ says it was good. Evil is Evil is Evil. Pull yourself away from comparing. You don’t have to weigh Evil against each other.
EDIT:
They pick one side and argue and justify away the crimes “their” Side has done.
You are doing exactly that. You try to argue and justify the annexation of Tibet. You could easily say “Yeah, that was not okay. China invaded and occupied Tibet, this is not okay.” But instead you are trying to compare this to the US and bring up other Countries and what they think. THIS is exactly what I meant.
you are trying to compare this to the US and bring up other Countries and what they think
Shouldn’t we look at different sources and scrutinize events and claims thoroughly? You seem to be thinking you’re being objective by taking a centrist position on these but this
China invaded and occupied Tibet
is a western claim, and exactly what the US and EU wants its citizens to think by drawing a false equivalence between them and their geopolitical rival. Tibet had a popular revolutionary party whose views were in line with the rest of China that wanted China’s help overthrowing the Dalai Lama, under whom slavery and serfdom was common in the region. There absolutely were factions supporting the prior feudal rule, but chalking that up to “China invaded and occupied Tibet” is absurd and extremely misleading. Tibet is an autonomous region now.
Hell, the Tibetan uprising against the Chinese government later on was organized by the CIA, and the US is open about it and even proud of it now. Here’s a book on that written by a US district judge and a journal by a professor on Tibetan studies. It’s similar to how the US overthrew the democratically elected Mosaddegh in Iran because his policies would benefit Iran instead of the US.
I think lemmygrad isn’t that bad considering pedo.school is halfway through the list.
True, but LemmyGrad can be wild too. I met one who claimed being Homosexual is imperialistic. https://lemmy.world/post/4494303
Ah yes the urge to kiss boys and conquer territory
The owner of poa.st, Graf is cringe and an idiot.
pawoo.net got taken down for CSAM.
The people behind Gab can’t code themselves out of a paper beg. They got hacked 3 times.
Thanks hal
No problem, Dave.
It’s funny/sad the stark contrast between the ones where you can’t really tell why they’re defederated from just the name vs the ones where it’s extremely obvious (and how little in-between there is)
The name “cum.salon” just kills me
freespeechextremist
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freecumextremistgot me
Sound like fed honeypots to me
fed cumpots
The fact that it is a registered domain is just class.
If the FBI are on here, they’d better work harder
Maybe its their instances and those are honeypots
Maybe its their instances and those are just the way they are
Eientei? From touhou? Wonder what’s in there. Also was expecting to see the pawoo competitor misskey.io since several japanese artists went there after Musk bought twitter.
Does kiwifarms.cc even exist anymore? I remember hanging out there while the main site was under maintenance, but it seems to have gone offline since then
Not sure why this is downvoted, but’s been down for longer than a week according to isitdownrightnow.
Cause kiwifarmers are degens
Not sure why this is downvoted
Because people hate Kiwi Farms. The reason why people hate them because KF haves freedom and it’s unkillable.
People frown upon doxxing and stalking, the law does so too.
Especially if it is just to push people into suicide.
Any sane person would hate KiwiFarms. They are the degenerates of the internet. Akin to skinheads. Anyone who identifies as one of them should be banned, IP blocked and seriously beaten if encountered in real life.
I hope not, it was a toxic shit hole filled with complete fucking losers.
