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Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Monday that Ukraine would have to make concessions over land that Russia had taken since 2014 as part of any agreement to end the war.
Mr. Rubio spoke as he was flying to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, for talks with senior Ukrainian officials, and 10 days after a contentious White House meeting between President Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky. The Trump administration halted military aid to Ukraine after the blowup, which centered on Mr. Trump’s refusal to include any security guarantees in a proposed deal involving Ukraine’s natural resources.
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Okay. Us Europeans want to cede Florida.
Come on now, Rubio. You’re the one who opened up your big mouth.
Please take Florida.
The actual deterrent here being that Putin realizes he has to govern Florida and backs off Ukraine entirely.
Rubio is a Russian asset
Most of our government seems to be.
I propose Ukraine cede Kentucky to the Russians. Or maybe one of the Carolinas, I don’t think the US really needs two of them.
So basically they (putin and trump) want more than 2022 borders. And let me guess, they also want sanctions eased and elections to install a pro-putin government? Ukraine should not make any deals with the US. The US admin is the enemy within and the enemy of democracy.
The ceasefire is just a step to get to the sanctions and elections demands. And once they have a “reason” to force those things then russia is set to continue their forever-war.Imagine a hypothetical scenario in which Mexico invades the United States, takes complete control over the state of New Mexico, and right in the middle of the conflict Great Britain says “the war needs to end”, drafts a ceasefire proposal that allows them take control of half of the country’s natural resources, and offers no security guarantees in the event that Mexico decides to attack again. If you refuse, the British will stop sending military aid to help you continue fighting. Oh, and Mexico gets to keep New Mexico.
Who in their right fucking mind thinks that this is a good deal? Any sensible person would rather continue fighting than give up their advantage for some flimsy ceasefire that won’t stand up to an invader hellbent on conquest.
And that’s after Mexico violated a non-aggression pact and conquered Arizona.
Lol. Remember when a bunch of assholes voted 3rd party or didn’t vote because they were upset with Democrat’s handling of foreign affairs?
Clown country.
Do you remember when the Biden Harris administration provided military, financial and diplomatic support for a genocide that lead to hundred of thousands of casualties? No wonder people didn’t want to vote for them.
I’d do it again, rather get expropriated and deported from this micky mouse country than use what little political input I have to endorse a genocide
I think the point here is that, rather than endorse a genocide, you endorsed 2 genocides, and everything else that this administration does. I get that even one genocide is too much, but for that one you could be calling your representative and writing letters and doing whatever else you can to people who might care about those actions.
What do you mean 2 genocides?
you could be calling your representative and writing letters and doing whatever else you can to people who might care about those actions.
my representatives are Democrats, they didn’t care
you endorsed 2 genocides
by lying about Bidens nonfunctioning brain Democrats created this situation. my vote had zero impact
Oh fuck off, Rubio.
I miss the good old ‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.
If someone breaks into your house, kicks your dog and rapes your wife, you don’t negotiate to let them keep your TV. You shoot that fucker between the eyes. That’s what we need to be doing.
“Turns out, Russia doesn’t want to concede anything and demanded more Ukrainian land. Well, we tried. Clearly, it’s high time for Ukraine to stop getting in the way of peace.”
- Little Marco in a week
“we’ve tried nothing and we’re already out of ideas”
Someone should invade Rubio’s house and demand the deed to one of his rooms before they’ll leave.
So, it’s treason then
I don’t see any peace deal unless there is security guarantees, it is not peace without guarantees.
This just embolden russia to rape Ukraine again for more lands. Marco Rubio is promoting a forever war.
Ukraine guarantees were taken away when the nukes were taken away.
Why do you put stock in security guarantees now?
Ukraine had security “guarantees” when Russia invaded because they gave up their nukes that Western nation have not followed through on.
Memorandum was not really a guarantee. NATO is more of a guarantee, nukes are more of a guarantee. Guarantee means NATO and/or Nukes.
Don’t need to believe it will work, Nukes and NATO has worked in the past to maintain peace along russia borders.
Dang. Anything for you guys to believe “this time!” will work.
Without security guarantees, this isn’t a “peace” deal, it’s a capitulation and an invitation for future aggression from Russia.
What about the security “guarantees” Ukraine already had?
I guess it’s only a guarantee if it’s guaranteed at least twice? Lol.
Why would Ukraine be negotiating with another adversary? That’s like a boxer going to the wrong corner after the round, that guy also wants you to get your ass kicked.
Because they’re losing and a part of losing in a war is making concessions to the winner.
If Ukraine didn’t make concessions for a peace deal, Russia will just continue winning the war and Ukrainians will have even less.
Sorry to all the new people in this world that fell for the propaganda machine. Hopefully this can be a learning experience for you all (it won’t.)
You don’t get it though, Russia bad. Therefore, throwing your male population through forced conscription into the meat grinder with no expectation of winning is based and cool and patriotic.
Which is what Russia is doing.
Yes, Russia is a borderline fascist empire as it stands now, and its government deserves extreme criticism for it. Sad consequence of dismantling the Soviet Union and selling it to the most corrupt bidder under the supervision of MIT economists.
What’s your point anyway? That sending people to the meat grinder in Ukraine is good actually by either side of the proxy inter-imperialist conflict?
People being dead is not good of course. What choice does the Ukrainian government have though other than to defend their country?
Negotiating?
Specifically how? They were okay with neutrality before the genocidal war inflicted on them. They just signaled that they are open to an immediate ceasefire, but the Russians denied the offer.
I don’t care, let the war end.
I don’t care, let the war end.
You care or you don’t care? but care to let the war end ? What are you saying really?
Why are you arguing here instead of packing your bags? You’re free to go to Russia to make the war end, I don’t understand what’s stopping you.
Why is it always people like you that will never set foot on the frontline that are saying stuff like this?
If you really want the war to end, when can you enroll to stop russia from starting WW3 ?
Why are you not stopping russia, if you want the war to end?
Why are you promoting WW3 by asking Ukraine to surrender to russia just like Czechoslovakia surrendering to Nazi Germany which lead to WW2.
Why are you trying to drag your country into WW3 ?
Why are you not **guaranteeing ** peace (with Nukes or NATO membership) to prevent russia from expanding territories into Ukraine again?
why are you promoting a forever war ? Why are you not at the front line to stop russia from starting the war again and again ?
Why do you want OTHER people to die while you sit comfortably on your sofa telling Ukraine to surrender so that Putin can start the next war and WW3. ?? Why don’t you pack your bags? go to Russia to make peace and end the war, I don’t understand what’s stopping you?
Why do you say one thing but are free to do the opposite of what you say?
The solution is guaranteed sustainable peace. But you and your leader, Putin don’t want peace because it means compromise and it means that Zelensky, EU, NATO, Georgia, and Crimea also gets something (surprise, that’s how peace works!)
You’re free to go to Ukraine and help guarantee their protection and their territorial integrity, I don’t understand what’s stopping you. Why are you arguing here instead of packing your bags?
I’m free to do the opposite and I’m content that my country has made it clear that we will not send any troops to Ukraine
Appeasement will never end the war.
Why is it always people that will never set foot on the frontline that are saying stuff like this?
When can you enroll to go defend Ukraine and their pre-2014 borders?
Because we read and understand history? 🤔
Appeasement does not work.
When will you volunteer to enroll and help Ukraine take back their land on the battlefield then?
Well which is it?
7 day old account only interested in posting Ukraine doomerism. Obvious shill.
When can you enroll so that you can go to Ukraine and help them take back their territories if you care so much?
Likely true if we’re being real but… You don’t say that outloud you incompetent fucking negotiator.
Ukraine is winning. That’s why Trump has stopped supporting them on request from Putin.
If your news isn’t telling you Ukraine are currently stronger on the battlefield, change news outlets.
Russia is collapsing - this war is absolutely draining their economy. The questions are whether Ukraine could keep that momentum if the US suddenly cuts off communication media and whether continuing a war to a victorious position is worth the cost to Ukrainians. I’m not there, I don’t get any input on the decision, but I’m absolutely understanding of my Ukrainian coworker that fled the country and wouldn’t ill judge Ukraine seeking an earlier peace in exchange for concessions.
51% of respondents in December 2024 said that Ukraine should not give up any of its territories “under no circumstances… even if this would prolong the war and threaten the preservation of independence.”
https://kyivindependent.com/38-percent-ukrainians-territorial-concessions/
