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- Measles estimated case-fatality rate: 1.3%
- Estimated US population: 346,715,067
- Measles deaths if everyone in the US got measles: 4,507,295
- Upper limit on estimated MMR vaccine caused anaphylaxis: 0.000066%
- Anaphylaxis case-fatality rate: 0.3%
- Estimated vaccine-caused fatality rate: 1.98 * 10^-7 %
- Estimate vaccine-caused fatalities avoided by not vaccinating US population: 0.69
- Net increase in fatalities from switching to measles natural immunity for everyone in the US: 4,507,294
So it would only be better if he wants an extra 4.5 million Americans to die.
Yes, the old strategy of overwhelming the hospital system with mouth breathers.
Amazing strategy, Raisinhead.
Hey now, my nose is always stuffy. That has nothing to do with my great stupidity.
I consider him more of an apple head.
Pretty sure I stole this one from here on Lemmy.
Better than the one I stole from Lemmy
Hospitals should be able to refuse patients who get diseases that are preventable with vaccines. Problem solved.
No. For multiple reasons:
- Vaccines are not 100% effective. They reduce the likelihood of infection if you are exposed. The whole point of trying to get everyone vaccinated is to reduce the infection rate so that there’s less likely to be an outbreak. With a vaccinated population, the virus can’t spread fast enough to maintain a pool of infected people to keep spreading it. But that doesn’t mean nobody gets sick.
- Vaccines are not as effective on some people. There’s a range of effectiveness.
- Not everyone can get vaccinated. People with certain allergies or compromised immune systems in particular.
- Some parts of the population have higher risk factors than others and when they get sick it can be much more serious. Usually the very old and the very young. And again, people with compromised immune systems, or other conditions that complicate the illness.
- Kids whose parents refuse to get them vaccinated are put at elevated risk through no fault of their own.
I could probably keep going, but hopefully you get the idea why that’s just not a viable approach.
Everybody who gets vaccinated is documented as having gotten vaccinated, no?
So why can’t hospitals check the record and confirm that patients have been vaccinated? If they have, then everything’s fine. If they couldn’t get vaccinated for legitimate reasons, that’d be documented too.
The point is to ensure as many people are vaccinated as possible, not to prove a point about the efficacy of vaccines.
That said, I dislike the idea of healthcare being able to pick and choose, for any reason, not to treat someone. Then again I live in a sane country with free healthcare.
That said, I dislike the idea of healthcare being able to pick and choose, for any reason, not to treat someone.
This is exactly the problem. Once you start talking about who does and does not deserve healthcare, you’ve gone to a place I refuse to follow. There is far too much nuance to start drawing lines in the sand.
And what about my wife? She’s allergic to the measles vaccination.
Then she is also allergic to measles, because all it is is weakened measles itself.
Prove it
And that right there is why your argument is complete bullshit.
How does she know?
Go fuck yourself.
Yeah, exactly. You’re making it up.
The dems really need to appoint a shadow cabinet and hold press conferences with fact checks and useful advice about how to get vaccinated.
I’m glad that I am science literate and live close to the canadian border.
You first fuckface
He got the vacc
Heroin really makes you focus too, it’s great for long study sessions.
also convinced govt of somoa to stop MEASLES VACCINATION, resulting in 86 children deaths. also drove his former wife to suicide.
No, in Samoa there were vaccines administered incorrectly and people died. Their hesitancy was well-founded.
Damn. If only there was a way to get protection against measles without having to get measles. Some sort of injection. That’d be useful.
Maybe an infusion
What a stupid motherfucker. Anyone who voted for these venal clowns ought to be ashamed of themselves.
Most of them have no moral compass and/or have zero awareness of just how fucking stupid all of them look.
Not supporting this dude, but I watched the whole video and he never once said it would be better if everyone got measles. Maybe I missed it; if so, please correct me. He mentioned a waning effect with the vaccine vs full-blown infection, which I highly doubt is accurate (I’ll research it later), but that’s a massive stretch to get to the headline. He even recommended vaccines and said they will be available for free to anyone that needs them. I’ve gotten a little lazy in fact checking left leaning stuff because I always felt it was a little more trustworthy. I’m just starting to wonder how much I’ve been blindly accepting because it conforms to my biases.
Thanks for watching it and writing this. Good to know it’s not as stupid as it’s made out to be.
I’ve actually got fed up with left-leaning outrage news because any time I check it it’s twisted out of shape or plain wrong. I’m sure there’s plenty the same in right-leaning-outrage-news, I just don’t see it in the first place!
I wish people who want a world of truth and science wouldn’t lie to get support.
The written article also doesn’t say it would be better if everyone got measles. I listened to the interview long enough to see the article is quoting him accurately and fairly. At least for that.
Then he spent probably too much time talking about vitamin A, and I didn’t listen to the rest
It’s really just a lying outrage headline - from the written article
