In fairness, there wasn’t a big loss of the vaccinated either (seems to be smaller, but still a lot of people)… but there was a successful looting of the poor and enrichment of elites

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    hospitals overwhelmed

    can we come to agreement that the artificially reduced supply of medical resources via regulation combined with the artificially induced panic, is more to blame here than actual covid risk?

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      No, we for sure cannot. The number one cause was lack of staff - we ended up having nurses tend to several patients each instead of two or three. There were people who were really sick and the were simply not enough beds for them.

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        point is you can have more beds and staff and nurses… if you aren’t impoverishing the population with taxes and regulations (economics 101). It was an artificially created crisis on top of another

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          That’s simply bullshit. You can’t snap your fingers and get medical staff. Nurses were getting giant pay increases because there weren’t enough of them. Doctor’s and nurses were also getting COVID at an alarming rate, which was taking many of them out.

          I didn’t know where you’re getting your information, but you’ve been misinformed.

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            The doctor shortage is part of a trend, look up “doctor shortage” on a search engine, for example here is a random article: “Facing a severe physician shortage, feds offer loan forgiveness for some doctors, nurses” https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ottawa-student-loan-forgiveness-doctors-nurses-1.7113468

            What I’m saying is: what causes this? The cause is pretty clear: regulations of the industry. It takes too much licensing and costs to become a doctor or nurse, so people don’t choose to do it. This is artificially created with all kinds of government regulations. Then, governments also regulated what people could do during the time of “covid” with mandated lockdowns, leading to further shortages. None of these shortages needed to exist but were created through artificial government regulation. So the “shortages” really had nothing to do with “covid”, we could have and should have had more than capacity to deal with a “pandemic”, and this talking point should have not existed (it was artificially created).

            The motive for some of these measures is financial, as the working class lost money during the lockdowns while the richest gained: “The billionaire boom: how the super-rich soaked up Covid cash” https://www.ft.com/content/747a76dd-f018-4d0d-a9f3-4069bf2f5a93

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              Yeah we should really get rid of those pesky regulations. There would have been plenty of doctors if we just let anyone who decides to call themselves a doctor start practicing medicine.

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                unironically yes! it’s done with programming and many things! What happens is… you, personally, won’t go to any doctor unless they have gone through rigorous training at top schools and you’ll pay top dollar for it. other people, like poor people who may be dying with less options, can get more economical options that may work for them. It’s actually sad more people don’t question things and complain about how expensive things are and how bad of care they get while ignoring the elephant in the room…

                edit: of course naturally many other scenarios apply, where more nonprofits can be freely formed for those in need and competition can bring down the price of many medical needs

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                  Wtf is wrong with you? Poor people should be used as guinea pigs for untested doctors? Fuck you buddy, I personally, think we as a society have a responsibility to provide healthcare to everyone, not just the people rich enough to afford it

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                    well currently they may not be able to afford anything and nonprofits to help them as well as affordable options have been regulated away, which is sadly worse

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            you make that sound like liking freedom is a bad thing, while I’m sure at the same time would oppose things like chattel slavery

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                well, what position do you like in contrast? I could try to mention some of the problems with such positions. Today the fruits of over-regulation of healthcare should be obvious with the doctor shortages and unaffordability and medical bankruptcy and such that exist.

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          No, it’s not. You’re clearly looking for one, probably trolling on purpose, thinking it fun, but misinformation like this is actually dangerous.

          I’m not American, and our government had a sensible reaction without antivax reactionaries and that’s probably a reason I still have my grandma.

          Your reasons for doing this don’t matter to me. I reiterate what I said in my first comment; sealioning antivaxers disgust me.

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            misinformation is dangerous

            Well, these are contentious issues. At present there seems to be a lack of consensus on them so discussion would be important. Both sides are often convinced the other is harmful, so it seems the only way to resolve them is to discuss them. The side opposing the one you take says the vaccines are harmful and have killed lots of people… so if wrong, your “misinformation” would be the dangerous variety, even though you think it to not be “misinformation”.

            have my grandma

            ehhh, your grandma probably would have been fine. The point was from the OP that you’re aware lots of people did not vaccinate and were fine, right? (including elderly)

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              It’s not contentious at all, there is very clear consent, and you’re a troll or a moron, possibly both.

              Seriously, there aren’t words severe enough for me to express my utter contempt of people who actively endanger others because they’re too dumb and lazy to read, but have an ego so big they can’t admit that to themselves, so they read badly written simplistic conspiracy theories to make themselves feel special.

              Utter. Fucking. Disgust.