I think Reddit was in the wrong, Reddit is basically volunteer-run and the proxies using the site data were pretty useful, didn’t seem like a need to charge, I imagine the cost was minimal to Reddit
it was a “greedy” move but they knew they could get away with it, but they did sustain a lot of damage in the process, I think probably more than they thought they would (some lost users, some subs taken down essentially, poisoned the brand a bit)
I think the “people” weren’t that successful breaking off from Reddit. Lemmy unfortunately became “toxic” and I’m not sure it really fills what Reddit offers. Reddit is basically just a lot of people, that’s probably its main “feature”. There’s not quite enough people on Lemmy and they even tried to run a few of us off who were contributing to their discussions, so now Reddit is more disliked and “toxic” and Lemmy is kind of a non-functional “alternative”.
In discussing this it makes me question actually why I am on this website. I think when I started with reddit alternatives, I expected TONS more people to follow. But that hasn’t really happened, and these forums keep closing up and moving people around. I guess conversations on places like here offer quality and filter out “reddit rabble”, and maybe there’s the hope of further growth, while we lack numbers. I still end up basically mining reddit for info, and other places
I still use reddit to. I get your point in your last paragraph. But I think it’s politics that is the problem honestly.
Look at all the other instances, they just come to a dead end in my opinion, because they don’t want to shut the fuck up about politics.
Social media is either, political, memes, or tiktok videos. With politics usually taking over. Not allowing for a variety of opinion which would actually make it interesting.
Segregate politics and make everyone play by the same rules. This is the solution in my view. You’ve got to keep it equal so one side doesn’t drown out the other. But no one wants to do that.
But then you have the issue that, people on the left for example, will not participate in a site that allows right leaning or center views at all.
well, it seems like things got polarized over the last decade (2010s). prior to that the left was about “freedom of expression”, which would allow for the freedom to say racist things for example. They thought you could overcome “bad speech” with “good speech”, or that “bad speech” could simply be ignored. At some point they seemed to totally abandon this principle and it seems more like it’s the right-wing that tends more in this view today.
So basically leftists want to ban things they don’t agree with. “centrist” or “independent” sites that just allowed people to say whatever, now basically aren’t tolerated by the left, so they become in practice “right-wing” spaces. And then the right-wing spaces are right-wing. So it’s mostly either leftist places online or right-wing, as any place that allows “freedom” becomes right wing it seems.
so the left’s authoritarian stance has kind of tried to politicize everything, because if it isn’t leftist then it’s rightist. even if you try to have “eveyrone play by the same rules”, this gives freedom to the right, the right usually wins out, so it ends up being “right-wing”, and leftists reject it ahead of time.
idk how this will resolve, like I am wondering what the world will look like when boomers hand over leadership to Gen XYZ
honestly this one ended up having an impact I think, there are still some decent sized subs shut down or non-functional compared to before
not enough to take reddit down tho
What did you think of the whole situation?
I think Reddit was in the wrong, Reddit is basically volunteer-run and the proxies using the site data were pretty useful, didn’t seem like a need to charge, I imagine the cost was minimal to Reddit
it was a “greedy” move but they knew they could get away with it, but they did sustain a lot of damage in the process, I think probably more than they thought they would (some lost users, some subs taken down essentially, poisoned the brand a bit)
I think the “people” weren’t that successful breaking off from Reddit. Lemmy unfortunately became “toxic” and I’m not sure it really fills what Reddit offers. Reddit is basically just a lot of people, that’s probably its main “feature”. There’s not quite enough people on Lemmy and they even tried to run a few of us off who were contributing to their discussions, so now Reddit is more disliked and “toxic” and Lemmy is kind of a non-functional “alternative”.
In discussing this it makes me question actually why I am on this website. I think when I started with reddit alternatives, I expected TONS more people to follow. But that hasn’t really happened, and these forums keep closing up and moving people around. I guess conversations on places like here offer quality and filter out “reddit rabble”, and maybe there’s the hope of further growth, while we lack numbers. I still end up basically mining reddit for info, and other places
I still use reddit to. I get your point in your last paragraph. But I think it’s politics that is the problem honestly.
Look at all the other instances, they just come to a dead end in my opinion, because they don’t want to shut the fuck up about politics.
Social media is either, political, memes, or tiktok videos. With politics usually taking over. Not allowing for a variety of opinion which would actually make it interesting.
Segregate politics and make everyone play by the same rules. This is the solution in my view. You’ve got to keep it equal so one side doesn’t drown out the other. But no one wants to do that.
But then you have the issue that, people on the left for example, will not participate in a site that allows right leaning or center views at all.
well, it seems like things got polarized over the last decade (2010s). prior to that the left was about “freedom of expression”, which would allow for the freedom to say racist things for example. They thought you could overcome “bad speech” with “good speech”, or that “bad speech” could simply be ignored. At some point they seemed to totally abandon this principle and it seems more like it’s the right-wing that tends more in this view today.
So basically leftists want to ban things they don’t agree with. “centrist” or “independent” sites that just allowed people to say whatever, now basically aren’t tolerated by the left, so they become in practice “right-wing” spaces. And then the right-wing spaces are right-wing. So it’s mostly either leftist places online or right-wing, as any place that allows “freedom” becomes right wing it seems.
so the left’s authoritarian stance has kind of tried to politicize everything, because if it isn’t leftist then it’s rightist. even if you try to have “eveyrone play by the same rules”, this gives freedom to the right, the right usually wins out, so it ends up being “right-wing”, and leftists reject it ahead of time.
idk how this will resolve, like I am wondering what the world will look like when boomers hand over leadership to Gen XYZ