This comment was in a post about a guy who openly spilled secrets then got fired.
https://www.reddit.com/r/golf/comments/1dynric/rip_to_the_augusta_ama_guy_yesterday_who_was_not/
To be fair, people stopped after starting a witch hunt for the Boston bombers and identifying the completely wrong people. It may very well be the case that they over corrected, but there is at least a good reason for the change overall. (also corporate interests I suppose, fuck them though)
We did it, Reddit!
I just got a warning and [removed by reddit] because I told a dry cut story about turkish coworkers of mine harassing women and queer people and talking about stuff like “buying wifes” from their home country as an answer to someone posting a similar story. I got warned for “promoting hate and violence against marginalized groups”. I made no generelizations, promoted no violence or hate. I actually got upset because of my coworkers doing exactly that. This is not the internet as I know it. Where you get censored because you talked about something that happened in your life.
Because there is no discernable difference between you telling an honest story about your Turkish coworkers and a racist using online anonymity to rile people up against minorities.
I think that should be decided by the readers of the comment not by reddit. Unless I actually incite hate or violence. Or maybe if I had a history of leaving comments like that. But it was the first time I talked about it. Or if my account was new or a bot. I don’t like to assume the worst about people just because they criticise something adjacent to a controversial topic. That’s how problems get swept under the rug and never solved.
Except if you leave it solely to the readers of the comment, the communications platform is still flooded by racists and bigots of all stripes. Sure, a lot of their comments are downvoted, but by giving them a platform you’re giving them a way to degrade the quality of the platform they’re on, drive away reasonable users and eventually take over and shit up the place unrestricted. Just like the nazi bar story.
Downvotes are nowhere near as effective as moderation when it comes to keeping hate off of a platform. Sorry if you posted something in good faith and moderation censored you, but that doesn’t make moderation as a concept wrong.
(Also, I kind of agree with you that there should be more signals available to moderators than just “does this comment mention race negatively”. However, I’m not sure you want reddit scoring what kind of person you are and attaching that score to every moderation action.)
Yes and FURTHERMORE, POE’S LAW EXISTS
and it’s NOT actually “just” about parody - it’s all too often impossible to tell honest anecdote apart from ideological rhetoric.
Poe’s law doesn’t mean ban anything that’s edging a bit close to what you think it is. It’s like arresting people for a crime they didn’t commit but because they act suspiciously according to the eye of the authority.
How would you solve problems pertaining to immigration when you can’t talk about experiences. There is actually a large problem of parallel societies in germany that has been rampant for decades because no one wants to talk about it. I mean like people doing what I talked about in my comments or not learning the countrys language in decades and having no contact to native germans. I my comment I was actually talking about people who were born here and their familys lived here for generations. In western europe in general it’s driving people to the extreme right, because no one dares talk about it in a normal and legitimate way. Censorship only makes these problems worse. There needs to be a way to talk about this topic with some nuance, not just blatant hate rhetoric.
I don’t think Moderation as a concept is wrong. I also filed an appeal, so i’ll see what they say after taking a closer look. But I sense a huge problem of people not being able to understand any nuances in this topic. So they just leave the whole thing for the extreme right as their talking point.
Well not if you strip it from all context and the nuance of OPs specific word choice.
Because I could tell a story about my Turkish co-worker that ends like:
“my co-worker of specific race is doing dodgy shit and it’s so harmful for the whole community that he’s doing this, especially with how much anti-ethnic group hate is going around, he’s giving everyone a bad name and I’m worried his behaviour as an individual aashole who happens to be race is going to start a spree of hate crimes against others who aren’t doing anything wrong, because most people aren’t, my co-worker is”
And I would argue that this story is fundamentally different from just leaving it as “my Turkish co-worker is doing dodgy stuff”.
I’ve been on reddit since the fall of digg. It was a wild time that’s for sure.
I’ve been on Reddit for 15 years and haven’t really noticed any shift for the most part. The only thing I find unbearable is the amount of bots and karma whoring reposting that goes on. The culture I feel is the same.
I’ve been on Reddit for 15 years and haven’t really noticed any shift for the most part.
That simply isn’t possible. Reddit changed dramatically since the Digg V4 exodus. The site itself has been constantly updated and redesigned / re-engineered adding and removing tons of functionality at least three times. The politics have literally swung all over the place from “tech-bro libertarian” to “conservative” to “progressive”. Content has changed radically in both scope and focus (AMAs are out while corporate run subreddits are in) and leadership has been all over the place.
God, remember Ron Paul? Those were the good ol days
Politics themselves have changed a lot over the past 15 years - I’m not sure if that has anything to do with the sub. Hell, even I changed from Republican to Democrat in that time frame.
I still use old.reddit and it’s pretty much been the exact same except for a few ads that RES takes care of anyway.
Definitely agree with the AMAs. That’s not going to change no matter the platform however and not exclusive to Reddit.
I still use old.reddit and it’s pretty much been the exact same
15 years ago there was no karma system. 15 years ago there was no Reddit rewards like Gold. Neither of those two things are related to old.reddit.com but they both had major impacts on the website but yeah, sure, “Nothing has changed in 15 years.”.
Karma has been on Reddit since I created my account. In fact, it’s been part of Reddit almost from the very start. How did you come by your information?
As for Reddit gold, it was introduced in 2010. But what relevance does gold have to content? It seems pointless and neither adds nor detracts from the anything other than people’s bank accounts.
How did you come by your information?
I should have specified Comment Karma. You’re correct that Post Karma has existed from Day 1.
Bringing in Comment Karma had a downside, it fed the trolls. You can see in this post here, from about 9 years ago, when Reddit had finally had enough of negative karma trolls (people trying to get the lowest comment karma possible) and stopped tallying it after a certain point.
Things sometimes get a bit blurry for me after all these years. I’d been on there so long I remember when Reddit added the ability for users to create sub-reddits!
But what relevance does gold have to content?
Reddit Rewards, like Gold, provided a visibility boost to both Posts and Comments. The_Donald famously abused this to keep the Reddit front page full of MAGA content. It eventually got so bad that Reddit Inc had to introduce emergency FP content filtering, something they’d resisted doing for years, while they rejiggered the algorithm in order to stop it. It was subsequently abused on comments all over reddit to keep something visible that otherwise would have been auto-collapsed due to downvotes. It was famously abused again because it was possible to send messages to someone, even someone who had blocked you, if you sent them a Reddit Reward.
Speaking of changes there’s another one. User blocking. Reddit didn’t have that 15 years ago either.
Reddit was a long and wild ride and a lot of things changed after I showed up in April of 2008.
Idk man, there were real communities where folks knew each other back then. There’s very little of that anymore because moderating those subs is a thankless full time job and the rest got massive. /r/CripplingAlcoholism is a good example - back around 2010 it was a close-knit group of drunks, by 2018 or so it was just a swamp.
/r/CenturyClub and the related subs were some of the best places on the internet back ~15 years ago. I deleted my old account that was in it ages ago and haven’t bothered rejoining since I passed the threshold, but even what, 8 years ago when I did that it was already way different.
Game subreddits went way downhill, too.
The overall quality of the site is much worse than it used to be.
I remember when they had reddit meetups. I stupidly brought my toddler thinking it was going to be family friendly. The places they hosted were peoples workplaces. One guy rented a limo. Beer was given away for free. Some women walked around shirtless and one creep was taking videos. Feeling unsafe, I left. Then I got a email about how the hosts were looking for the creep because he may have committed a crime, and was asking for money to pay for the broken office equipment.
Wild time.
Same. It was a really fun unique place for a long time.
Well, I missed Reddit until the mid 2000 teens, but I remember when the entire internet around 2000 was The Wild West. And I miss it, very much.
The internet was so much better before the advertisement industry jerkoffs figured out how to access it. May they all drown in a cesspool of their own waste for eternity.
May they all fall asleep sunbathing on their yachts… and wake up redder than a traffic light.
may the last thing they ever smell be chloroform
It was great before the dot com bubble burst. Even obscure fan websites had paid advertising. Even for a while after, is was great and still usable mostly because corporations hadn’t yet figured out how to completely monetize the internet.
Message boards and forums were the extent of online engagement. I miss it.
You must be thinking of a different for com bubble, like OG was like 1995 to 2002. 2002 including the bubble bursting. Gems include the amazing sale of broadcast.com to Yahoo for $5 billion! Like 10k per user of broadcast.com! In 2002 even companies like Cisco lost well over half their stock value and a ton of online seller website disappeared.
I remember when it was a teeming swamp of T_D memers. Afaik it is again.
Reddit wasn’t mainstream then. Comments could go unnoticed for months.
Facts, the worst thing for reddit was the pandemic, it turned it into permanent summer-reddit, and it started being talked any in movies and shows. Now it’s awful
Even in 2010 the front page was a shitshow. The smaller communities are generally their own thing but i’d say reddit often did more harm than good.
But … the Boston Bomber.
Guys, we found him!
I came to Lemmy to get away from Reddit, not to reminisce about how good it used to be.
Then block the community literally called c/reddit and move on with your life.
Excellent idea! Done and done!
I miss it. I came over right after Digg died, almost half a decade before 2010. Thought it was the ugliest site I had ever seen and found it super confusing.
People did largely speak their minds though, lots of controversial posts and uncensored humor, yeah it was nice, but the change in Reddit really mirrors general cultural changes too, it was more driven by Gen X and older millennials, more tech driven, and more what people would call edgy.
It was the wild west not so much because Reddit specifically was, but because that’s what broad tech bro Internet culture was. We also had relatively unmoderated Xbox Live and online gaming and other things that are hard to explain to folks now.
What we would call social media existed, Digg called it Social Bookmarking for a Digg / Reddit / Slashdot model. Myspace was just giving away to Facebook, Twitter was getting off the ground, and chat rooms, like Yahoo chatrooms and Geocities were so unhinged back then.
2005 is around the time that Yahoo started looking major ground to Google when just a few years prior it was the undisputed default search engine.
Neat to think about all this again.
I don’t think lemmy could withstand the onslaught of popularity that came with giving out “reddit hugs” to domains, and with lack of moderation the toxicity levels could easily soar. so just be careful what we wish for or the communities will become the things we hate.
PUBLIC SHAMING WORKS ON BULLIES
I got permabanned instantly from r/mildlyinfuriating because an idiot mod read the word “criminal” as “black person” and assumed I am racist.
That shit hole can die in a fire. Mirror their content over here(it isn’t theirs) and let them bleed out.
I got permabanned for stating that if Jesus Christ came back today, Republicans would have him crucified, like the Pharisees.
To clarify, I know some Christians blame “The Jooz” for killing Jesus. But I was implying Republicans were like Pharisees in that they worshiped money, and that Jesus had fucked with the money, mainly in the temple. It’s in the fucking Bible, the only learnin’ they claim anyone needs. Except when they don’t like what it says.
Any intelligent person should know what I was saying. Jesus = sharing wealth, Republicans/Pharisees = not sharing wealth. Not “That dude hates Jews!” Which I don’t.
Wonder if it was AwkwardTheTurtle.
Literally no way for me to tell and no path to fixing it. Even 10sec of viewing my post history on there would have revealed I was in no way using it as a dog whistle or the like. It was the most absurd thing ever.
Had another on r/whitepeopletwitter. I just pointed out a statistic, got permabanned. I replied asking what rule I broke, because I legitimately could not tell. They reply was “what did you intend with that comment” (I intended to inform, and was in line with what was being said, literally nothing else) and I asked “I was banned for you assuming I had ill intent that I can’t even figure out how you got there? Ok, what rule does that break?”. I then got a reply that said "you are muted from contacting this mod for three days, any further contact will be reported as harassment…
It is absurd and not worth the effort. That site is so poorly run. No mod oversight once a community gets big…you get the same punks with an agenda and power trip.
I was on here and called out a billionaire that fucked over me and my company because they didn’t want to pay what they owed. I named, I shamed, and assholes on here defended the billionaire.
People severely overestimate the lawlessness of the west. Only reason anyone even has that picture of it is because westerners realized it was an easy way to cheat folks who have never been west of the Mississippi out of their money in exchange for wild tales and performances about the cRaZy life of Arizona
They’re talking about Swansea you plonker
did you see that ludicrous display last night
I think that I started using Reddit around 2014~5 or so. For me the cultural shift shows two things:
- Any online community financed by adbux will eventually prioritise advertisers over its own participants.
- Unless you have tools ensuring transparency of the process, people with power over the others’ speech will misuse it to defend their individual interests, instead of the community’s.
