• darki@lemmy.world
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    and don’t use Sci-hub people. I am warning ⚠️ you so you can avoid it 🫡

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    New textbooks have disappearing ink that only lasts, about one semester, until a month before finals, and then in that month they trigger dynamic pricing increases due to a stronger than typical demand…

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      I do it all the time. Something something sci-hub. If you ask, the authors will almost always share a preprint.

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    Reviewers and writers actually do get a stipend, but it’s a token amount like 200 bucks a year. This industry is the most ass backward incentive structure we could possibly create, the only reason writers would provide articles to a journal is literally for the clout.

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      Really? I’ve reviewed and published a good chunk of papers and never received any financial compensation.

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      I’ve never gotten a stipend or heard of someone getting a stipend for publishing or reviewing manuscripts. The only thing I’ve been offered is access to the journal.

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        Depends on the journal I guess, my wife worked at multiple publishers and there’s normally an insultingly small stipend for the editorial board members and writers

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      They all got bought up by venture capitalists like a decade or more more ago, and this is the result.

      They were already backward, but now they are backward, ruthless about cost cutting, and care about nothing but profits.

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      I’ve heard of some journals promising to pay their reviewers Amazon gift cards which they never end up sending out

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    I too want to open a business where both customers and suppliers pay me. Do you know any more gullible sectors? Academics are pretty extorted already it seems.

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      Real estate seems to be a popular place for seemingly unnecessary middlemen.

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    As much as I’m against parasitic practices, I wonder how the inevitable corruption of money would (further) skew research if academia was well paid for their papers.

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      And I wonder how, not having the pressure to “succeed” research (to gain further grants), would increase the quality of said research.

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        I quit a physics phd path just under a decade ago because my experimental results were turning up negative and the uni I was at pushed me to doctor my results so we would keep getting funded. I also wonder about this

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      We’re not saying pay the authors a bunch, we’re saying make the papers free to read. Or at least don’t charge authors and readers both, while keeping all the money for yourself.

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    Why are we looking at revenue? We don’t know the operating costs. What are the profit margins?

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      According to Wikipedia, in 2022 Elsevier’s revenue was 2.909 billion pounds and their net income was 2.021 billion pounds.

      Not going to bother looking up the rest.

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    I’ve only ever published in open access journals (partially because I’ve only got 3 papers out, but also out of preference) is it just prestige that makes people go with pay-to-view journals? or are there other factors?

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      In part it’s prestige, which for some might matter for promotion purposes, and at least personally I’m more like to cite journals for which I know I trust their judgement in peer review and submission acceptance. There are predatory publishers which abuse the open access concept to make money, and if I’m reviewing literature I don’t want to have to also research if a journal can be trusted (unless of course the publication I want to include is novel or especially worthwhile).

      Also, in many contexts open access requires payment by the authors; this may be fine if an author is in a large grant-funded lab or at an institution willing to fund the open access fee but for many of us non-research-track folks it’s kind of a deal breaker.

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      Depends strongly on the community. Every sub discipline has its own standards of respectability. Publishing outside of those constraints can cause articles to be ignored.

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        that makes a lot of sense! I’m very grateful to be part of an academic community that seems to value open access, as well of part of a university that pays for access and submission to most of the journals I need to use

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    I did get paid for reviewing for a Springer journal though. Next to nothing, but it’s not zero.