• eee@lemm.ee
      48·
      9 days ago

      That’s stupid.

      The main problem with lemmy now is adoption, there isn’t a critical mass of users yet.

      When users see the stats without lemmy.world, they’ll be discouraged from joining. Add to that the issues with federation and the few who join will leave because of the steep learning curve.

      Way to alienate potential users.

        • Blaze (he/him)@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          5·
          9 days ago

          They are okay as devs, not that good as admins, which is fine, it is known by now, and people can move easily.

          To the people who are going to answer that they are bad devs too, which other devs are that much better than them at this moment for link aggregators in the Fediverse?

          I like Piefed and Mbin as much as the next guy, but Lemmy is still the most polished software as of now. Maybe that will change in the future, but let’s face it: with the amount of pushback the Lemmy devs are getting regularly, the fact that most of the instances still use Lemmy is a sign that there the alternatives aren’t that much better.

      • T156@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        9 days ago

        The decentralisation probably doesn’t help either. People coming to Lemmy from other places are coming from a centralised system. That takes some getting used to.

        If you’re new to this, you can be forgiven by thinking that all the Lemmy instances are their own separate thing, like the forums of old, rather than that they’re all interconnected (excluding a whole bunch of stuff about defederation and all of that mess).

      • Etterra@lemmy.world
        3·
        9 days ago

        As far as I’m concerned that’s a feature. If we let the normies in then it just turns into Reddit all over again. That slop pile can stay over there.

        • Blaze (he/him)@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          5·
          9 days ago

          There’s still room to grow. We could still double the number of active people to 100k and have a wide margin compared to having millions of users

    • 101@feddit.orgOPEnglish
      47·
      9 days ago

      Holy shit, the most active instance right now on the website is LemmyNSFW.

    • expatriado@lemmy.world
      13·
      9 days ago

      so lemmy.world became too big to fail and the other instances decided didn’t want to risk a potential bail out?

      • SorteKanin@feddit.dk
        27·
        9 days ago

        This has nothing to do with other instances. The join-lemmy.org site is run by the Lemmy developers and they decide what happens with that site. They think it’s problematic that lemmy.world is as big as it is (as one of the points of the fediverse is decentralization). So they removed lemmy.world from the listing on join-lemmy.org.

        Note that this is in no way a defederation or anything of that sort. The site just doesn’t show lemmy.world, that’s all.

        • expatriado@lemmy.world
          5·
          9 days ago

          my comment was mostly a joke, but it doesn’t contradict your point, lemmy.word got too big(relatively) so it got de-listed to flow new users to other instances

          • SorteKanin@feddit.dk
            5·
            9 days ago

            my comment was mostly a joke

            Sorry for not getting it, it’s just that sometimes people (understandably) get very confused about the technicalities of the fediverse and mix up things like defederation and stuff like this. 😅

            Consider a /s in the future :)

            • expatriado@lemmy.world
              3·
              9 days ago

              it’s ok, it was a reference to the 2008 finacial bubble, i knew there was the risk younger people wouldn’t get it

    • 101@feddit.orgOPEnglish
      3·
      9 days ago

      That is a very weird thing to do, unless they are looking to boost their own instance.

      • SorteKanin@feddit.dk
        16·
        9 days ago

        You can read their motivation in the linked pull request. FWIW I don’t think there’s any ill intent here and certainly not an attempt to boost their own instance. I think they just want Lemmy to be decentralized and lemmy.world being as big as it is kinda prevents that.

        I’m not sure I would’ve done it that way personally but I can see the reasoning and it’s not entirely unreasonable.

        • 101@feddit.orgOPEnglish
          8·
          9 days ago

          In my humble opinion, join lemmy should only exclude the instances that is harmful.

          They should not choose the instances to include for the users.

          • Aphelion@lemm.ee
            7·
            9 days ago

            Lemmy.world becoming the default Lemmy instance, and it growing to outsize all other instances is a danger: it makes the Fediverse centralized, easy to take down and easy to take over.

            • 101@feddit.orgOPEnglish
              5·
              9 days ago

              The same applies to the mastodon . Social instance and the same applies really to every Fediverse software available, with the exception of pixelfed.

                • 101@feddit.orgOPEnglish
                  2·
                  9 days ago

                  Pixelfed has a default limit to the number of users per instance.

          • SorteKanin@feddit.dk
            5·
            9 days ago

            I think I generally agree with you, but I don’t think this is a big grievance. Lemmy.world has enough traction as it is, they don’t really need the “publicity” from join-lemmy.org.

            It would’ve been better if they had written this as some kind of policy beforehand. Like if they had written somewhere before this pull request something like “any instance with more than 40% of active users may be excluded from the join-lemmy.org listing”, then it would’ve been more reasonable too.

            • Ruud@lemmy.world
              15·
              9 days ago

              It would have been better if they communicated to us first. I don’t disagree that user signups should be spread over instances. We now have a link to https://lemmyverse.net on our signup page so people can check if another instance would fit them better.

    • doctortran@lemm.eeEnglish
      2·
      9 days ago

      Why does removing them from the site also mean cutting their user count from Active Users though?

      • doctortran@lemm.eeEnglish
        2·
        9 days ago

        The notion of “summer reddit” went hand in hand with notion of “mom’s basement” and even “touch grass” in a way.

        Namely, all are dated ideas from millennials that are still thinking the person on the other end of the comment is sitting in front of a computer, as the default. It ignores the simple fact we all have the internet in our pockets and can be chronically online AND actually out in the world doing things at the same time.

  • 1984@lemmy.today
    14·
    9 days ago

    I think because we have mostly memes and any discussion is just won by downvoting your opponent. :)

    I’m half serious… The platform right now is lacking actual discussions. Everyone seems to just like memes.

    • lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.comEnglish
      8·
      9 days ago

      Unfortunately, the Lemmy community copied opinion downvoting from Reddit.

      There are good reasons to downvote, but a different opinion is not one of them. This just leads to echo chambers.

      There are 3 options: upvote, downvote and the 3rd one is just not clicking anything.

      • 1984@lemmy.today
        5·
        9 days ago

        Literally all my downvotes are from people with different options. This is a huge echo chamber. I rarely insult anyone and I’m always polite. I don’t believe vaccinations are safe for everyone since there are side effects, and I think each person should make their own decision about them. I don’t think gender issues are the most important thing in the world.

        These are controversial opinions on this platform. :) And I get a lot of downvotes for those opinions when they show up. Not that I care, because I just ignore it. But in the larger picture, it makes people leave the platform.

        Why should they stay? I think Lemmy needs to have a good reason to be used. Memes won’t be enough.

        I still like the idea of a platform without big tech though. I just think most people don’t realize what makes people stay on a platform. It’s not memes.

      • lemmyingly@lemm.ee
        1·
        8 days ago

        I think voting should be as what was originally set out by Reddit; I don’t know if it’s still in their guidelines. The voting system indicates the relevancy of the contribution and whether it adds to the discussion or not. Spam and off-topic contributions gets shoved to the bottom and everything else rises to the top.

        Obviously most people on Reddit these days use it as a like/dislike, agree/disagree voting system as well.

        Does Lemmy instance owners and community mods ban people for having a different opinion that’s so benign?

        Some Reddit mods attempt to be authoritative and ban people who hold different opinions to themselves. I know I have and I stay out of subs that relate to politics, the news, and anything divisive really.

    • SorteKanin@feddit.dk
      2·
      9 days ago

      The platform right now is lacking actual discussions. Everyone seems to just like memes.

      Honestly I’ve just blocked most of the meme comms 😅. It’s easy to see memes when I want to anyway by just opening a private window where I’m not logged in and going to the all feed. It’s always mostly memes anyway. Then when I’m logged in, I can see some other stuff without all the memes clogging up my feed.

  • T156@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5·
    9 days ago

    Part of it is that people also moved on from Lemmy too. Lemmy is nice, but there also isn’t very much by way of activity on it, which feeds back into itself. No activity means there’s nothing to draw people into it, and not enough to keep them around when they are there.

    One of the communities and (non-world) instances I frequented is all but dead these days.

  • dohpaz42@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4·
    9 days ago

    Honestly, it’s a short-sighted move made with hubris by the developer’s personal ideology. Both @nutomic@lemmy.ml and @dessalines@lemmy.ml admit in the PR that it’s not a good solution, but yet they continue any way — probably because it’s an easy “solution”, despite alienating 41% of their active user base.

    It’s a terrible trend in a lot of programming circles that programmers think because it is easy and it “works” (in that one circumstance) that it must be correct. This can be evidenced by browsing StackOverflow and reading the accepted answers for a lot of questions (SSL errors in software and disabling hostname verification or cert checks comes to mind).

    In my 18+ years of experience, if I find an “easy” solution to a complex problem, I keep looking for the correct solution. What is “easy” now will most likely lead to more complex problems down the line. And as they say, “if you can’t find the time to fix it right the first time, where are you going to find the time to fix it again?”

    Look, I get Lemmy is meant to be decentralized. Hiding away your biggest instance looks shady to outside users not in the know. The real solution is to “go door to door” to app makers and ask them to not default to any one instance of Lemmy (side note: randomizing a default server is not much better). If anything, add a link to join-lemmy where people can browse the list of ALL instances (yes, ALL of them) and let them make a genuinely-informed decision on their own. As a convenience, and API should be provided (assuming one does not already exist) so that apps can query a pageable/searchable list of existing/active instances (maybe also provide a link to their homepage too).

    Hell, if it makes everyone feel warm and fuzzy, the default sorting of returned values can be weighted by percentage of active users (i.e., higher percentages get lower weights to help promote smaller instances). This would help to round out the number of signups without excluding instances.

    But whatever developers do (not just Lemmy devs), do NOT overly dictate how people use your software “because I don’t like it”; lest you piss your user base off.

    /two-cents

    Edit: clarified a few points.

  • norimee@lemmy.world
    3·
    9 days ago

    Did lemmy do something in the meantime to keep bots out?

    If a lot of them can’t operate anymore like before they wouldn’t count as active users anymore either and would explain discrepancies, or not?

    Not that I know anything about how bots or websites work tbh.