A Third Woman Died Under Texas’ Abortion Ban. Doctors Are Avoiding D&Cs and Reaching for Riskier Miscarriage Treatments.
www.propublica.org
Thirty-five-year-old Porsha Ngumezi’s case raises questions about how abortion bans are pressuring doctors to avoid standard care even in straightforward miscarriages.
  • Sundial@lemm.ee
    5·
    1 hour ago

    Oh look another disgusting take on reducing women to bargaining chips while also neglecting to acknowledge that infant mortality is on the rise.

    Shame on you OP.

      • FurtiveFugitive@lemm.ee
        10·
        8 hours ago

        You literally posted a link to a story about a woman who was hoping to see her pregnancy through to the end. This woman didn’t want an abortion but I guarantee you she wanted to live. And here you are celebrating her death. That’s disgusting.

        I bet you and I agree on a lot of things and about wanting to see less abortions. I think the answer is pretty easy. Better access to sex education. More access to contraceptives and family planning. And laws that don’t punish doctors for saving the lives of their patients.

        • Kaboom@reddthat.comOP
          2·
          7 hours ago

          We’re not celebrating her death. We’re celebrating the massive statistical success of the abortion laws.

          I honestly just saw the article, went “just 3”? And posted it here. Turns out, abortion largely isn’t about saving lives, it’s using it as a psychopathic birth control.

              • FurtiveFugitive@lemm.ee
                3·
                2 hours ago

                Let me rephrase my previous post so I don’t offend the person calling the preventable deaths of the women “a good trade”.

                You are being ignorant if you believe an abortion ban actually prevents all abortions from happening.

                You are being ignorant if you think putting doctors in jail for trying to save their patients lives is a sustainable practice. Every time abortion laws regress, medical professionals leave the state and mortality rates increase.

                You are being callous to people who maybe you consider to be strangers or worthless people because they sought to have an abortion. But I think you would be singing a different tune if it was your partner, your sister, your mother, who had a miscarriage while the doctors stood by and said, “here take this pill and pray god saves you, because I’m not legally allowed to help you anymore.”

                • Neuromancer@lemm.eeM
                  3·
                  2 hours ago

                  For the record, I support abortion rights. It does make me a public outlier in the conservative community. In private, many conservatives support abortion rights. We can tell by when it goes up for a vote, even in red states, it wins by a larger majority than just if the Democrats voted for it.

                  I thought this would be the issue that caused the Republicans to lose the election, and I was shocked when it didn’t.

                  Congress, over the last 50 years, could have created a law to protect abortion rights, but they didn’t. That is where the angst should be with Congress for failing to do their job.

              • ahornsirup@feddit.org
                7·
                6 hours ago

                Birth control isn’t 100% effective and not all pregnancies are viable, nevermind desirable. Texas doesn’t even allow abortions in case of rape you fucking ghoul.

                • Kaboom@reddthat.comOP
                  2·
                  5 hours ago

                  So because someone raped someone, a completely innocent person should die? That’s your logic?

      • Ledivin@lemmy.world
        22·
        10 hours ago

        To fight against your misleading propaganda.

        Do these children live in happy, healthy homes?

        …or are they resented every day by their parents that were forced to have them, slowly building up childhood trauma that, by all studies on the topic, will never be resolved and will always plague them?

        …or are they forced into the already-overburdened foster system, where children are regularly abused and neglected? Oh, and just to be clear, you’re aware that Texas has among the most crowded systems in the country, right?

        Ohhhh sorry, I forgot you’re all just pro-birth instead of pro-life.

    • Mirshe@lemmy.world
      14·
      9 hours ago

      Also, “just” 3 deaths we know of. If you have read literally anything about abortions pre-Roe, I guarantee you that you’re potentially missing at least one and maybe 2 zeros behind that. This also doesn’t account for women who have been irreversibly harmed from attempting to access or perform off-the-books abortion care, or those who have to carry to term a child when pregnancy might harm them.

      Also, “only” 3 deaths is still a tragedy. Those people had families. They had friends, coworkers, and lives. At least one of them was literally still a child. Trying to play a numbers game between people dead because of a law and the number of “babies saved” is ghoulish behavior.

      • Kaboom@reddthat.comOP
        2·
        9 hours ago

        So by your hypothetical count with zero support behind it, you could only come up with 300 dead potentially in the absolute worst case scenario vs 50,000 saved. So 49700 lives net.

        Why do you want to kill babies? Are you just an evil person?

        • Mirshe@lemmy.world
          8·
          8 hours ago

          Let me turn that around: why are you OK with letting an 18 year old bleed to death, painfully, from what is an absolutely treatable condition because nobody would perform care that was too legally close to an abortion? Why are you OK with women dying and being harmed irreparably?

          https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2024/analysis-suggests-2021-texas-abortion-ban-resulted-in-increase-in-infant-deaths-in-state-in-year-after-law-went-into-effect

          And on the subject, why are YOU ok with killing babies?

          • Kaboom@reddthat.comOP
            2·
            8 hours ago

            255 more deaths. Compared to 50,000 babies saved, I’d take it.

            Why do you think 255 babies should be saved over 50,000 babies?

        • I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world
          7·
          9 hours ago

          Where are you getting that 50k number from? Is it based on the number of abortions performed in 2021? You don’t, perhaps, think that women might be getting abortions out of state, or relying on better birth control methods, or are resorting to smuggling in Plan B? You think it’s really a 1-to-1?

          • Kaboom@reddthat.comOP
            2·
            8 hours ago

            Birth control is not murder.

            I’m sure there’s probably been a couple out of state abortions, but they’d have to drive for 16 hours for it. It’s banned in Louisiana and Oklahoma. Arkansas only allows it in emergencies. So you’re talking about a hell of a drive and getting a hotel for a night or two. If you can’t be bothered with a pill, are you really going to be bothered to road trip?

  • nocturne@sopuli.xyz
    15·
    10 hours ago

    And all of those babies are in loving caring homes that can afford to take care of them? None of the families were forced to keep them?

    • Dr. Wesker@lemmy.sdf.org
      4·
      10 hours ago

      I hear your argument, but I also wonder what percentage of people think back and say, “My childhood wasn’t ideal, I wish I had never been born at all.”

        • realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club
          3·
          10 hours ago

          TBF yeah we don’t hear those people complain because they just kill themselves. But even then, they should be given that choice rather than being murdered before birth.