Yeah, nvme drives show how little space the storage takes up. Just stick a bunch of them inside the 3.5" format, along with a controller and cooling, and that would be great for a large/slow (relative to NVME) drive capped by SATA speeds.
I don’t miss the noise hard drives make, plus it’s nice to not really worry as much about what kind of magnetic activity might be going on around it, like is my subwoofer too close or what if my kid somehow gets her hands on a powerful magnet and wants to see if it will stick to my PC case.
Passive cooling could be enough. Even a bunch of ssd chips wouldn’t take up all of the vertical space, so top of the case could just be a heat sink. Though it might need instructions to only install it in an enclosure that has a fan blowing air past it (and not use the spots behind the mobo that don’t get much airflow).
A lot of motherboards come with metal styling that acts as a heat sink for nvme drives without even using fins, though they still have more surface area than a 3.5" drive and only have to deal with the heat from one or two chips.
But maybe it isn’t realistic and that’s why we don’t see SSDs like that on the market (in addition to price).
They seem to be very hit and miss in that there are some models with very low failure rates, but then there are some with very high.
That said, the 36 TB drive is most definitely not meant to be used as a single drive without any redundancy. I have no idea what the big guys at Backblaze for an example, are doing, but I’d want to be able to lose two drives in an array before I lose all my shit. So RAID 6 for me. Still, I’d likely be going with smaller drives because however much a 36 TB drive costs, I don’t wanna feel like I’m spending 2x the cost of one of those just for redundancy lmao
I use mirrors, so RAID 1 right now and likely RAID 10 when I get more drives. That’s the safest IMO, since you don’t need the rest of the array to resilver your new drive, only the ones in its mirror pool, which reduces the likelihood of a cascading failure.
You couldn’t afford this drive unless you are enterprise so there’s nothing to worry about. They don’t sell them by the 1. You have to buy enough for a rack at once.
I remember first hearing about 1TB and thinking (who needs that much storage?) wasn’t an IT person then just a regular nerd but am now and it took me a while to ever fill up my first 1TB HDD (steam folder) now I have a 2TB NVME in my desktop and a 4TB NVME in my server (for my Linux ISOs ;))
It’s so consistent it has a name:
Moore’s law is the observation that the number of transistors in an integrated circuit (IC) doubles about every two years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore’s_law
Quick note, HDD storage is not using transistors to store the data, so is not really directly related to Moore’s law. SSDs do use transistors/nano structures (NAND) for storage and it’s storage capacity is more related to Moore’s law.
I would not risk 36TB of data on a single drive let alone a Seagate. Never had a good experience with them.
The only thing I want is reasonably cheap 3.5" SSDs. Sata is fine just let me pay $500 for a 12TB SSD please.
Yeah, nvme drives show how little space the storage takes up. Just stick a bunch of them inside the 3.5" format, along with a controller and cooling, and that would be great for a large/slow (relative to NVME) drive capped by SATA speeds.
I don’t miss the noise hard drives make, plus it’s nice to not really worry as much about what kind of magnetic activity might be going on around it, like is my subwoofer too close or what if my kid somehow gets her hands on a powerful magnet and wants to see if it will stick to my PC case.
HeatDidn’t read your full comment sorry. How would heat control work? Integrated fan?Passive cooling could be enough. Even a bunch of ssd chips wouldn’t take up all of the vertical space, so top of the case could just be a heat sink. Though it might need instructions to only install it in an enclosure that has a fan blowing air past it (and not use the spots behind the mobo that don’t get much airflow).
A lot of motherboards come with metal styling that acts as a heat sink for nvme drives without even using fins, though they still have more surface area than a 3.5" drive and only have to deal with the heat from one or two chips.
But maybe it isn’t realistic and that’s why we don’t see SSDs like that on the market (in addition to price).
Hm. Maybe a small laptop style fan on the port side? Takes in air and spits it out right next to it. NVMEs seem fine not having cooling anyway.
Yeah, I’ve wondered if the ones that come with heat sinks really need them or if it’s just a gimmick to make people think the performance is better.
I want one of those heat cameras some use in hardware reviews. I don’t need one, but Iwant one lol.
They seem to be very hit and miss in that there are some models with very low failure rates, but then there are some with very high.
That said, the 36 TB drive is most definitely not meant to be used as a single drive without any redundancy. I have no idea what the big guys at Backblaze for an example, are doing, but I’d want to be able to lose two drives in an array before I lose all my shit. So RAID 6 for me. Still, I’d likely be going with smaller drives because however much a 36 TB drive costs, I don’t wanna feel like I’m spending 2x the cost of one of those just for redundancy lmao
Could you imagine the time it would take to resilver one drive… Crazy.
I use mirrors, so RAID 1 right now and likely RAID 10 when I get more drives. That’s the safest IMO, since you don’t need the rest of the array to resilver your new drive, only the ones in its mirror pool, which reduces the likelihood of a cascading failure.
You couldn’t afford this drive unless you are enterprise so there’s nothing to worry about. They don’t sell them by the 1. You have to buy enough for a rack at once.
100%. 36tb is peanuts for data centres
Ignoring the Seagate part, which makes sense… Is there a reason with 36TB?
I recall IT people losing their minds when we hit the 1TB, when the average hard drive was like 80GB.
So this growth seems right.
1TB? I remember when my first computer had a state of the art 200MB hard drive.
I remember first hearing about 1TB and thinking (who needs that much storage?) wasn’t an IT person then just a regular nerd but am now and it took me a while to ever fill up my first 1TB HDD (steam folder) now I have a 2TB NVME in my desktop and a 4TB NVME in my server (for my Linux ISOs ;))
Remembering when Zip drives sounded so big!
It’s so consistent it has a name: Moore’s law is the observation that the number of transistors in an integrated circuit (IC) doubles about every two years. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore’s_law
I heard that we were at the theoretical limit but apparently there’s been a break through: https://phys.org/news/2020-09-bits-atom.html
Quick note, HDD storage is not using transistors to store the data, so is not really directly related to Moore’s law. SSDs do use transistors/nano structures (NAND) for storage and it’s storage capacity is more related to Moore’s law.