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It wasn’t even that long ago that the news was reporting on Russian troops massing on the border for a “training exercise”. How the fuck do people forget that Russia was undeniably the aggressor in this conflict?
Only Trump did I think.
The war dates before that. Since 2014 Russia had snipers in dombas.
Reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-qO42qjShg
Only Trump did I think.
Unfortunately not, have seen quite a few on here just today regurgitating the idea that the Ukraine goaded Russia into invading, so it’s like, Ukraine’s fault and they started it. Or something. Fuck I hate people, just absolutely no shame, reality is whatever the hell they want it to be I guess.
Well Ukraine shouldn’t dress like that. Showing their grain and warm water port for all to see. Everyone knew they were selling their grain to all sorts of people. They should’ve seen it coming really /s obviously
It’s complicated. Ukraine didn’t directly attack Russian people or infrastructure, but they did take actions that would have reduced Russia power, and Russia did consider that casus belli. From that perspective, Ukraine did start the war.
I don’t agree with this interpretation, and I think it is hard to square with “international law”, but it is a form of realpolitik that the U.S. has engaged in previously (and likely will in the future), overthrowing or manipulating Central and South American nations, in particular.
It doesn’t surprise me AT ALL, that Trump would buy into this interpretation. Even without his known Russian biases due to funding, he really doesn’t see the point or ethics or morality. For him it’s just about power and heirarchy, so realpolitik is his only possible perspective on how any government or leader should behave.
“The USA should have never attacked Pearl Harbor and Japan!”
Damn japan did nothing wrong? /j
Those ships exploding could really have been dangerous to those low flying planes overhead. Very inconsiderate from the US people. Typical.
‘Stupid’ just doesn’t encompass his complete and utter ineptitude
Unworthy of living could sum it up to some people
He knows it isn’t true
If this is how Trump negotiates, I think we cash see why he been bankrupt so many times
his lack of ability to negotiate has been known for decades. The guy is a clown
Art of the deal … of losing.
Yeah, if someone came to me negotiating like that I’d commit to never doing business with them.
Mate, I’d pick him any day off the week. He can take dodgy loans and I’ll clean him out
For context, as a writer at The Atlantic described it:
The negotiators displayed mainly incompetence, as well as cringeworthy servility to their master in the White House. Trump’s part, though, was pure malignity. Shortly after the meeting ended, he criticized Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, lied about the latter’s polling numbers, and said, in a particularly callous remark, that Ukraine had had a seat at the table for three years. How being invaded and having your civilians tortured, raped, and slaughtered counts as a seat at the table is beyond understanding.
It’s not beyond understanding. It’s corruption and treason. Putin is now POTUS when it comes to Ukraine, and NATO apparently
Putin is POTUS period.
Putin stand behind the man that stands in front of the president of the USA. Elon first, then Putin, then Dump.
What a democracy, the jewel of the free (market) world.
Elon is the governor. Putin is the emperor. Trump is the jester.
Jesters are the ones that tell the truth to the king without fear of execution. Trump couldn’t be a jester if he tried. He can’t joke or jape, he has nothing but hate in his heart.
Edit: I forgot to add that he is pathologically unable to actually tell the truth, the most important part of the jesters job.
Elon first, then Putin, then Dump.
Very disrespectful to leave out Saudi Arabia here.
It’s a seat at Hannibal Lector’s table.
Nah, Lecter was educated, smart, and charismatic.
Putin has repeatedly said that Zelensky is illegitimate and would not negotiate with him. Guess who isn’t invited to this particular set of negotiations?
The US has opened negotiations in a strong position by giving one side everything they asked for, to the point that the Russians are trying to figure out what else they can get away with.
When Trump eventually concludes negations it’ll be every bit as hollow as Bush standing on an aircraft carrier with a mission accomplished banner behind him. Trump will demand a Noble prize, just like the one Obama got. Peace will not be achieved.
No, it’ll be worse. Trump will use this as a way to remove all sanctions from Russia. He will basically try to reinstate Putin as part of the world economy. After this war of aggression, after all this destruction and death, Trump wants to brush Putin off and put a Halo on it.
Fuck that orange shit stain.
Just wait until he starts selling F35s to Russia
Just like the people in other countries will forever hate me for being American, I will forever hate all Russians and Israelis for allowing their governments to do what they’ve done. I don’t even care if that’s right or wrong anymore, I’m just tired and weak from all this constant shit.
It is not a negotiation if the partners making the deal is not included.
Trump just looking for what he can win from this. He does not care if the deal is fair.
That isn’t the point of these talks. Trump, has no ideology other than what makes Trump look good. I’m that vein, these talks will
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Get Trump a Nobel prize for ending an “intractable” war. Suck it Obama.
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Stop sending money outside the US. Trump as far as I can tell has never had any friends. He can’t figure out why you would help any one who is worse off you than yourself.
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Which brings me to the final point. Putin, is on paper the stronger person in this conflict. Trump doesn’t see character as a useful trait, which in this comparison completely negates what ever Ukraine and Zelensky bring to the table. I don’t think any one knows why he likes the man so much, but Trump clearly wants to ingratiate himself with him, so he’s bending over backwards to give him what he wants.
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Trump thinks he’s some sort of great negotiator. Putin is laughing the whole time.
Donald Trump’s entire career seems to be built on a single expression he makes. Essentially the one in that picture. I’m not sure what it is but it conveys some combination of superiority, disdain, and disinterest. It’s clearly very successful at establishing dominance, for some reason. Awful man.
Yeah, it’s been his personality all his life. “I take no responsibility for anything” Therefore, he is absolved of everything.
I hope the world treats him like the cowardly incontinent little bitch he is
Nobody should fear or respect a single word from this scumbag, call his fucking bluff and that of his spineless and thoughtless followers
Strip them of their lil platform of bullshit
Alienate the US politically and economically until they respond to financial impact of their errors
Drag these dumb cunts through the streets for the world to see, there’s no time for this bullshit with these dickless hoes
Don’t worry about economic alienation, they’re already doing that themselves.
Fuck Trump!
Damned Poles and their radio stations.
1939 Gleiwitz. Schlesien.
Rapist blames victim.
How dare she stand out there with her land all open like that
It’s weird seeing memes that can be used by both the left and right with wildly different interpretations
Man I can’t remember the original meme/context to this one, can you help me out?
Thank you!
From the view of Putler, this episode of the war is ending, so that the next can start in a few years… Trump can’t plan more than 7 days ahead…
Speaking to those in the USA,
There is much more going on with the Ukraine / Russia war than what the media here told us. Most people make opinions about it, not even realizing that they aren’t informed enough about it to have an opinion.
Vague statement from you, what details are you going to give us?
Not going to get into it now, but I’ve personally spoke with so many who have had opinions on it, and its clear they know very little about what has happened there over the past 10 years, and what has led up to the current situation.
It’s “super complicated” Russia thought stealing the rest of Ukraine would be as easy as stealing they did in 14.
It is more complicated, many people don’t know about the years before and the power struggles between oligarchs, riots, and assassination plots (it’s wild to me to just hire someone who has tried to kill you before). The media fails to give the proper context to put the events into perspective. However, Russia still invaded Ukraine without any reasonable justification, and this was an incredibly disingenuous thing to say.
Its not disingenuous, you just said yourself “many people don’t know about the years before and the power struggles between oligarchs, riots, and assassination plots…”
And yes I agree, the media fails to give context. I think that’s because they (mainstream news for example) are more interested in getting you to take a side, than they are just giving you the information.
How is saying “Ukraine started the war” not disingenuous?
Sorry, never mind. I misunderstood that part of your previous comment!
Oh it appears I did so too
I am sympathetic to the argument that NATO expansion and the coup started this war.
But blaming Ukraine is absurd. They’re the victims of NATO expansion and the coup!
This argument doesn’t make sense. Even if you do accept that NATO is not purely defensive because of what happened in Libya, blaming NATO for Russia invading another country that isn’t in NATO makes as much sense as me blaming my brother John for the fact that my other brother Robert was beating his wife, and then violently taking it out on John.
And that’s ignoring the reason NATO is expanding. It expands when new countries decide they want to join it. And countries at present are wanting to join it because they feel threatened by Russia. The reason for its expansion is Russia’s aggression, so to turn back and blame NATO for Russia’s aggression is completely backwards.
Invading another country that was pivoting towards joining NATO because of a Western backed coup. You’re leaving that part out.
I wonder why countries bordering Russia want to join NATO
After what NATO did to Libya you might wonder why Russia doesn’t trust NATO.
NATO didn’t intervene in Lybia, it were just some NATO aligned countries.
If NATO did intervene, it would have included ALL NATO countries. As is the point of their pact. If one is at war, they all combine forces.
Since plenty of NATO countries abstained, it is therefore no NATO intervention.
But you rather spew Russian disinformation, don’t you?
Not sure who asked them to.
And how did it turn out?
How did what turn out?
NATO’s intervention in Libya? Things haven’t been great for them, if you haven’t noticed.
What does NATO’s intervention in Libya have to do with countries bordering Russia wanting to join NATO?
Nato expansion has always sounded dumb to me too. Nato is a defense pact, it doesn’t ever attack so there is nothing for Russia to defend against. And if some countries were to attack Russia, them being in Nato is irrelevant since the other members won’t help.
Russia is the only European country that violates others borders. Everyone else agreed that wars are dumb and joined a peaceful union called the ‘EU’ or at least has close ties with it. Now Russia of course could have joined the EU too, but Putin chose not to.
Nato is a defense pact, it doesn’t ever attack
NATO bombed Libya.
NATO didn’t intervene in Lybia, it were just some NATO aligned countries.
If NATO did intervene, it would have included ALL NATO countries. As is the point of their pact. If one is at war, they all combine forces.
Since plenty of NATO countries abstained, it is therefore no NATO intervention.
It started as some NATO member countries on the 19th of March. My understanding is that NATO later voted on it to become fully involved by the 24th and took over by the 31st. That’s how NATO works - when a few members get involved, everyone else will follow.
Let’s imagine a few NATO member countries start bombing Russia. If Russia strikes back, the NATO pact means that all of NATO becomes involved. That necessarily means that if any NATO member country is involved, all of NATO is involved. NATO is basically a shield for NATO member countries to do whatever they want, because if anyone fights back it triggers the whole alliance.
