Are moderators allowed to ban people and list a fake reason? This conservative has defamed me by listing the reason as homophobia. Kinda funny coming from a right winger lol. Is this acceptable on lemm.ee?

  • glimse@lemmy.world
    15·
    2 months ago

    Mods can ban you from their community for any reason they want

    Not saying you should have been banned but it’s his community to do what he wants with. Stamets banned me from c/Tumblr without warning for making a joke he didn’t like lol

    • fartington@lemm.eeOP
      7·
      2 months ago

      I understand that, I don’t care that I was banned from that sub, it’s trash. But why is listing an incorrect reason allowed?

      • glimse@lemmy.world
        5·
        2 months ago

        Mods can be trolls, too. This one in question thinks that Trump is on his side because his income is in the top 5% (if I’m remembering correctly) which should tell you what kind of person he is

        I’m not gonna dig through your profile or the mod log to see what kind of comments you left but I haven’t been banned despite the criticisms I’ve posted so id imagine imagine what you said was probably worse…so I totally get why he didn’t want you commenting there. Someone quoting Bible verses would probably get banned from c/atheism

        I get why you’re annoyed if you didn’t post anything homophobic but I’d just drop it, shittalking on the conservative board isn’t worth your time especially because they’re certainly not gonna learn from it

        • fartington@lemm.eeOP
          5·
          2 months ago

          Lol he claims his income is top 5%. He is also an army medic, fighter pilot, owns multiple properties across multiple states and spends 20+ hours a day on lemmy. I called him George Santos for all his accomplishments.

    • Calavera@lemm.ee
      6·
      2 months ago

      Moderators own shit.

      I’m a moderator for a community, but never in my mind this idea came to me. I’m just there to help the community and that’s all.

      Ultimately the only one who owns it is the admin. And the admin should know if a mod is abusing his powers

      • BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com
        4·
        2 months ago

        Is this the right way to get admin attention then? If no, what is the proper recourse?

        Mods should have the power to ban I just don’t want to be banned for made up BS reasons.

      • glimse@lemmy.world
        3·
        2 months ago

        You’re what’s known as a “good moderator” and frankly, I think most mods fit that description, too.

        But you have the control of your community, that’s part of the appeal of Lemmy. Once admins start policing petty disagreements, we’re moving toward reddit

        • fartington@lemm.eeOP
          3·
          2 months ago

          This isn’t a petty disagreement. I don’t care that I was banned. I want to know if it is acceptable on this instance to list a fake reason when banning someone.

          • glimse@lemmy.world
            2·
            2 months ago

            I didn’t mean you were petty, I meant like… Admins should step in if someone is posting child porn or something, not community bans

      • TWeaK@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        2 months ago

        Moderators don’t own the community, but they own the community address - they have absolute control over it and can set the rules. If the community don’t like that, they’re free to move to a new address and make their own, with blackjack and hookers, etc.

        The admin owns the instance, which in turn can overrule the moderators. If the community don’t like that, they’re free to move to a new instance, with blackjack and hookers, etc.

        Basically the whole system was set up so everyone will eventually have blackjack and hookers.

    • AliceAEnglish
      1·
      2 months ago

      Kinda counterproductive though don’t you think ? If a person is that emotionally fragile they are not able manage things if they’re getting their feelings involved like that

      • fartington@lemm.eeOP
        7·
        2 months ago

        I want clarification that it is ok to list any reason you want when banning someone.

        • BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com
          6·
          2 months ago

          Specifically a made up and false reason. None of what was banned in those screenshots were remotely homophobic. This particular mod is extremely ban happy and has resorted to using BS reasons to report those he doesn’t like.

          I realize they’re allowed to ban people from their own communities, but shouldn’t their listed reasons at least be accurate?

          • fartington@lemm.eeOP
            5·
            2 months ago

            Yeah, I really don’t give a shit that I got banned, it just seems fucked up you can list any reason you want and it shows up in the mod log. I can ban you and list racism, posting revenge porn, supporting animal abuse or whatever I want and it’s there.

              • BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com
                6·
                2 months ago

                Right, is that not fucked up? What kind of a community can you have with such an abusive mod stifling discussion because their jimmies are rustled?

                I was banned once on that same community and I owned up to having broken a rule and deserved it. I’m back in it and haven’t broken the same rule, and admit I screwed up. But this user did nothing wrong except make mod big mad. That kind of power does the opposite of what services like lemmy are supposedly here to do.

  • BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com
    7·
    2 months ago

    While mods should be able to ban for any reason, their reason listed should be accurate, IMO. Otherwise they’re just power tripping and that shouldn’t be allowed.

  • sunaurus@lemm.eeM
    4·
    2 months ago

    I agree that using the mod log to attack other users with inaccurate mod action reasons is not really justifiable.

    We now have some additional guidance about this here under the moderator responsibilities section:

    Ensure that they only provide accurate and clear reasons for mod actions

    I will make a separate announcement post about this as well shortly.

    Unfortunately, due to the nature of mod log federation on Lemmy, it’s not really possible to retroactively change mod action reasons currently. I am sorry about that. If this does end up causing problems for you in the future, you could point people to this thread for context.

  • Throwaway@lemm.ee
    2·
    2 months ago

    Without going through every single comment you made on /c/con to find the homophobia, you were being uncivil.

    I can reban you for generic uncivility, if that’s what you want. Hell, I’ve been down the road from the opposite end, so I’m more than happy to do it.

  • TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee
    1·
    2 months ago

    Here’s my take on it- if you were posting in the conservative community you were looking for a fight. They post bad faith takes and misinformation with a ferocity that Russia would be proud of.

    But what’s your expected resolution here? Lemm.ee is an instance built around curating your own experience. Clearly the conservative community is detrimental to your experience, so if I were you I’d stay away.

    The only other alternative is lemme.ee admins step in, which goes against the philosophy of the instance

    • fartington@lemm.eeOP
      4·
      2 months ago

      A lot of replies are missing the point. I know full well that sub is full of garbage and I don’t care I got banned. The issue is, why are moderators listing fake reasons on the public mod log?