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This is a screenshot of google translate on a screenshot of a twitter thread on a screenshot on a tumblr reblog. And the tumblr part doesn’t add anything at all, but it appears on the tumblr community on lemmy. I love modern social media
The tumblr part adds 2000 notes :)
All it’s missing is the iFunny watermark
My mind jumped straight to “it’s-a me! Binario!”
I’m pretty done with English speakers trying to shame other languages.
Go verb some nouns, English. You are drunk.
Is there anything wrong with the statement? Is there a misconception of how Spanish works?
I literally don’t know enough about Spanish to know either way or what the correct translation should be
If someone identifies as non-binary they would be neither male or female in how you address them, at least in english. In Spanish “non-binary” doesn’t translate to a neuter equivalent because the gender of a word matters in the context of who you are addressing.
I am not a native or proficient speaker of Spanish, so I could be off.
So there just isn’t a “correct” way to use the concept in Spanish yet?
No soy quién para decirlo.
que si, que no
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How about non-native English speakers trying to shame English instead? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ69ny57pR0
We default to “binario” since it’s technically the gender-neutral form but some people deliberately change it to “binaria”, “binarie” or even “binarix” to make a statement.
isn’t the generally accepted solution to this just “-e”? like “no binarie”, or “latine”
i feel like this is a bit of a trend, there’s a pretty decent solution that mostly works with existing grammar and for some reason you don’t really see anyone using it…
Generally this works with Spanish. But other Latin languages like Italian cannot have this option: so we have to use tricks like tuttə for anyone or others escamotages
LatinX doesn’t work in Spanish. And Latinos fkin hate anyone entertaining this idiocy.
It doesn’t work for ANY LATIN language. Not Spanish, not Italian, not French, not Romanian, nor Portuguese.
Now have fun with that as you travel more East and South.
Only in written language though, as the schwa can’t really be pronounced. I guess the way is to simply use both verbally (“tutti e tutte”), even though it’s not really necessary as “tutti” already includes - well - everyone (incl. non binary people).
Exactly :]
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Non binariao. You‘re welcome.
What do you think this is, Portuguese!?
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Brazilian… like the wax
Donde esta el binaño?
Morons who think they’re better than others: “No Binarix”
Good lord not again man. You can’t dictate how we, the people from LATAM, speak our language.
Me, when I’m confronted with the prospect of introducing a grammatical neutral third gender
Relevant Tom Scott: https://youtu.be/46ehrFk-gLk?si=wFaP44sc5np2JICW
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What I don’t understand is that as soon as you start criticizing other languages for similar absurdities you’re gonna get a bunch of people coming out of the woodwork to defend it. People are fine to shit on english for being a horrible language, and I’m fine with that as well because that’s true, but as soon as you criticize spanish, i.e. another language that spread to everywhere because of colonialism, you’re gonna get dogpiled about how everything is getting forced from the outside by non-native spanish speakers and how it’s all so artificial and astroturfed. But then they also don’t acknowledge these calls whenever they have come from inside the house, which is something that’s always happening, and they also won’t do anything really to refute the core logic of the critique outside of what’s basically just prescriptivism.
I dunno, maybe it’s just because the british have sucked the fun out of everything and american imperialism has kind of given english generally a bad reputation among all of the south american countries which would generally speak spanish, and so that’s going to lead to a kind of resistance to anything seen as coming in from there, which is fair enough.
The bigger problem I have, though, which also applies to english, is how ineffective any of these more academic strategies for change are, even if they’re mostly well-intentioned. You see this outside of language, too. As long as we’re not making some institutional change, then no progress is gonna be made because people will see it all as artificial ivory tower bullshit, and won’t wanna use it. For english, it would have to be taught in school as part of a base level curriculum, and if you’re trying to grassroots it, then it’ll have to be explained every time you use it, with every new person, which impedes communication in literal terms and means it probably won’t get picked up.
What’s weird to me is that we can’t have that, and implicitly there can kind of be nothing that challenges the informal rules or structure of language, so no major shakeups are allowed, but still somehow we’ll see every kid on tiktok every two weeks start to accumulate some form of AAVE and then proceed to completely drive it into the ground. I guess that’s just because the internet is kind of a chaotic place and these things are primed to propagate pretty easily, but it’s kind of frustrating how totally undirected it all is, and how it all preys on our worst instincts. Means we get people that can only talk in buzzwords and call everything woke without having any formal definition for what that means really. I wonder how fast you could artificially change someone’s mind for the better if that’s what you actually wanted to do with social media. That maybe sounds villainous or manipulative, but I think we have to understand that this is something that exists and has always existed with these platforms, and by ignoring it, we just let the worst instincts and actors take over and fester instead.
To be honest, I didn’t post this because of the fact it criticises Spanish.
I posted it because of the last two lines – where someone refers to a non-binary girl and a non-binary boy and the guy below says “Yeah, we need to talk” cause that just made me burst out laughing when I read it :)
But apparently I was the only one?
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