I used to but now I do not anymore.
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Yeah I’ll not be guilted into the notion at saving SECONDS of residential water use has any impact on climate. Water savings by industrial process and unmanaged municipal leaks are much higher on the list. The seconds of reduced residential use are less than a “drop in the bucket”
Caveats being I don’t live in a drought striken area, I don’t take overly long showers to begin with, and my utility bills are a non issue financially.
By that logic nobody has to do anything, because you can always find someone who has a higher impact that should start first.
- Why stop driving my petrol car, trucks or container ships have a much higher impact
- Why stop flying around the globe for no particular reason, Taylor Swift should stop
- Why should I start energy saving, cryptominers should stop
Don’t get me wrong, you leaving the shower on for 10s longer than necessary will not be the end of the world. It’s just this mentality of: I am pro climate change (policies) as long as I don’t have to change anything about my own life, that you can hear way to often.
Hey you show me the meaningful impact, and I’m all for it. For example the reduction of single use plastics in communities near coasts and waterways. It measurably reduces coastal waste. Great, let’s do it and the consumer can help.
Anything that has no measurable impact is just performative green guilting.
I just won’t be pressured into carrying the guilt of industry I don’t even profit from while I’m soaping my balls.
That is not the point I was trying to make. As I said, it is not the end of the world just because someone leaves the shower on for a few seconds longer than necessary and there are obviously way more important topics we need to address.
To be honest when I saw the question I haven’t thought about climate at all. I turn it off for as long as I can remember and was curious how others are doing it. But everytime something comes up that has to do with saving energy/ressources there are people saying: I don’t change because my personal impact doesn’t matter. To exaggerate my point one person changing one tiny thing of course doesn’t make a difference, but if 8 billion people change 10 tiny things it can have an impact. At some point we have to start making a change.
However, I totally get your point about the industry polluting our planet even though they knew better decades ago. And now everyone has to suffer from their mistakes or rather greed.
It’s more that yes, of every person on earth turned the water off while soaping, religiously, it STILL wouldn’t even be a drop in the bucket.
I acknowledge that community improvement requires everyone to chip in in ways that aren’t immediately tangible.
Unfortunately the magnitude of industrial use and loss is so vast that residental budgeting on this topic doesn’t move the needle.
That doesn’t mean residential changes aren’t ever possible.
For example improved insulation and heating and cooling tech can meaningfully reduce grid spike demand.
Flattening demand into a more consistent, distributed curve means we can transition to green energy sources with greater confidence, and decommission coal and gas power more successfully.
So that’s a topic I’m all for making changes on, and I have. (Updated south facing windows, with facing window awnings, plus updated attic insulation and a mini split heat pump)
My home is more comfortable, more resilient and more aligned with future community goals.
So it isn’t that I’m not willing to try (and spend) to do my part. It’s that I’m very critical of green guilting to shift blame.
I couldn’t agree more.
And I can only reiterate, with my initial comment I was not attacking you personally or trying to guilt you into doing something. I also don’t like when people do that. In fact, it wasn’t even that much about saving water in the shower. It is just this blocking attitude of: I don’t do it, others should start first without even thinking about it, that you can often read in these threads which bugged me at first.
By your comments you showed that you actually thought about it and came to the conclusion that the impact is little and there are more important topics you want to address, which is a totally fair point.
It’s no worries man. We had an on topic discussion , just seemingly from two sides of the table, but I think we’re pretty aligned. (As these things usually go).
I think Lemmy is too cautious or something. You talked about your position without attacking me, and you sure shouldn’t have to apologize for that. If anyone here can’t handle that, they should turn their AOL internet CD in and be done with it.
We need to save the planet, that’s why you need to put a giant plug up your ass! Why? Well you see, Methane is a serious greenhouse gas, and despite your farts being miniscule compared to the massive releases from factory farms and other industries, eVErY liTtlE biT HeLps!!
You should really just not question it and live your life with this painful inconvenience because we all need to start somewhere. If everyone across the nation were to just start wearing a big butt plug at all times, we could reduce methane emissions by a whole 0.1%! And no, before you ask, the factory farms and other industries won’t be doing a damn thing to reduce their emissions. So lube up that bussy honey, you gotta get into that green mentality, it’s for the planet!
Using California as an example, agriculture consumes 4x the water of everything else combined - business + industry + parks + homes.
Austerity at homes is generally more of a show than anything else. You can read about the Sustainable Groundwater Management Act, but it looks like the legislation isn’t mandated to be implemented until the 2040s.
Came here hoping to see this comment.
Now let’s talk about paper straws in plastic wrapping…
‘DON’T FUCK WITH MY ALMONDS, TREE HUGGIN’ LIBCUCKS!"
Yes. I don’t take wildly long showers, so the conservation isn’t really worth the convenience of being able to step in/out of warm water at will.
One of the few benefits to a well/septic.
I have to pay zero attention to water conservation. Hell, when it rains a lot I have to let some faucets run. Just pumping water from one side of the house to the other. Otherwise the side with the well can get moisture in the basement
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Wells aren’t infinite…
If you’re not using enough it overfills.
But the septic tank has drainage and can distribute the water.
Like. I don’t really get what you’re trying to say
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Even in the rare densely populated areas where wells were common, there’s not many left.
Most people in my area just hook up to city services instead of sink more money into their systems for substantial repair. I don’t think there’s many others left at this point, except maybe the 100+ year old houses whose plumbing wouldn’t survive modern pressure.
In rural areas where that’s not an option, your issue doesn’t exist.
Not like if it’s a big deal, but if we’re gonna be pedantic, then we can’t go halfway.
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Yes, I admit I take excessively long showers with the water running the whole time. It makes me feel sane again, able to face the day. More importantly, I live where water is plentiful, so I’ll focus on reducing my carbon footprint in other ways
I turn the water off.
Growing up we used to live in a house with what I swear was the smallest boiler ever so the hot water would only last for maybe 1-2 showers before needing some time to get hot again. So leaving the water running meant no hot water midway through the shower, or forcing the next person to wait to take a shower.
It’s a habit that stuck with me ever since, I’ve found that I don’t really need the water running the whole time anyway.
Yes
No. Takes two seconds to open or close the tap. However, I do sometimes spend time daydreaming under running water so I guess it evens out!
You mean there are people who don’t spend 30 minutes in the shower contemplating their life choices?
It never occurred to me that there was any other way to do it.
No. It would take more time and water to run it to get the temperature in the pipes warm again than to just quickly soap and rinse.
So…yes?
Are we only allowed yes/no answers here? Sorry if clarifying details are annoying. I assumed if they only wanted stats this would have been a poll.
I still do, but I used to, too.
Meh, my showers are so short to begin with, I’m already doing my part.
No because then the water becomes hot.
Yes, but only because it doesn’t take very long to lather up. It’s annoying to have to readjust the water valves to get the temperature right again after having it off for only a minute or two. I feel like I waste more water just letting the shower run on startup to get the cold water to flush out of the hot water pipes.
Saves more water with a recirculation pump on the hot water line. I now literally turn it on, adjust the heat and jump in. It’s amazing having instant hot water.
Mine is easy enough to turn down the water to keep a smaller flow to maintain comfort and water temperature while soaping, so I do that.
