Nearly a third of Americans – 30% – say people may have to resort to violence in order to get the country back on track, according to the latest PBS News/NPR/Marist poll.
It’s a sharp rise from 18 months ago, when 19% of Americans said the same.
Historically, it has always taken violence to remove fascists from power.
Fundamentally, elections were designed to be a peaceful alternative to the peasantry revolting against the government and beheading their king. As Americans come to grip with the reality that their elections are meaningless, their politicians are bought and their only alternative to fascism is fascism-lite with a pride pin (no trans ppl allowed though) this attitude will continue to fester.
Well if an ICE officer stops my husband based on his appearance we’ve both agreed that we should resist that arrest.
That would end in violence and probably our deaths. What else can we do? Let them take us god knows where?
And after all that training we’ve had to never let kidnappers take you to a secondary location! There really isn’t another choice.
violence is already happening, it’s just that people are too scared to fight back against it
There is no historical precedent for an electoral solution to a descent into fascism.
There is no historical precedent for an electoral solution to massive wealth inequality.
This reflects a feeling of being backed into a corner. What else are we going to do when our political views and goals and ffs human beings are being criminalized? Every decent thing getting rolled back and every horrible thing dialed up to 11. Fuck republicans. One way or another they will regret this. Whether people vote them out or get violent with them remains to be seen but this will not last, obviously.
I can’t wait until the day that these filth learn that we outnumber them 10 to 1.
It’s up to them how they learn this fact.
Sounds delusional to me… if we outnumber them 10 to 1 why the fuck is a republican sitting on the highest seat in the country? Everyone just sat out the vote??? Okay. Then what the fuck do you expect them to do to republicans if they can’t even vote?
Collusion and deception
Idiots got tired of not being allowed to be racist.
Harris was thoroughly unappealing to many, and the Democrats were masterfully outmaneuvered by the Republicans seeding shit about Gaza and rallying minorities against her.
In swing states there was definitely vote manipulation. You had Musk offering to pay people to vote.
I would say after the outcome of Project 2025, he’s finally pissed off minorities and farmers, and business owners, now he’s working on the military.
Now he’s threatening to send the US military in against cities.
I think the only one delusional here is you. votes will tell eventually.
You left out that we had years of dems talking about DACA but harris/biden tried to triangulate on immigration leading to latinos not voting in many places.
That’s what I used to think too.
Then, around Trump’s first campaign, I talked to plenty of Latinos that voted Republican. They didn’t generally give a fuck about immigration. They were quite happy for the borders to be shut down, where they came from, everything was very fuck you, I got mine. They’re more than happy to pull the ladders up now that they’re over here with their family to limit competition for those job sectors.
They also vote Republican based on entrepreneurial and business wants. They either start small companies or work for small companies. And they see it as very much in their interest for those companies to prosper.
I kind of suspect at this point that they’d be a bit apprehensive to vote Republican with all the Gestapo bullshit going on, still, but I haven’t had any political talks with Latinos since Trump’s first campaign. It’s honestly hard to tell.
Those are not the people that didn’t vote afaik. Immigrants from mexico, central and south america tend to be more catholic and conservative. (Which is why its always actually been about racism) its generally younger latinos that will vote democrat but like all younger voters its more about turnout.
Imma just leave this here
Okay but without any sort of investigation or evidence this is just a tweet of a crazy rich person… which by the way if we start taking every one of this cunts tweets as fact then I guess that cave diver that saved all those people was actually a pedophile and I also suppose you believe we will colonize mars by 2030? Or that Neuralink can cure all diseases?
I know I’m outnumbered by conservatives in my area. And, while they might not voluntarily admit to bigotry, they do strongly believe in a hierarchy of power, and that failing to be obedient to a higher authority is justification for any punishment you (not them!) receive. They also believe that the laws should reflect “Biblical” teachings and that “The Church” (their church, not those Catholic “idol worshipers”) should be involved in health care, education, and the work place not just reflected in the laws.
They also tend to own guns and know how to use them, but that somewhat depends on their income. It’s an outsized spend, but when you are on food stamps, you aren’t also stockpiling ammo or acquiring more guns.
Everyone just sat out the vote???
Basically, yeah. Because they didn’t want to vote for the red genocide supporter, and they didn’t want to vote for the blue genocide supporter; because no matter what, they’re voting for genocide.
I mean, in reality, most people right now in the US are just upset that US foreign policy has finally reach US shores.
Sweet cherry picking bro. The comment as a whole responds to another whole comment, and here you are taking 5 words and making a whole reply about it. I’m sure Harris wanted to build concentration camps and strip the entire country of their rights, and tariff every country with a name too. You’re right, they’re both so bad you might as well just let Jesus take the wheel.
If she was so worried about Trump, why didnt she vocally oppose the US supporting genocide abroad?
So, yes, she wanted concentration camps. Did you think she was going to shut down the ones Obama opened on our southern border, or did you think they magically disappeared once Biden got elected?
Remember, she’s the “top cop” and cops love oppressing the working class.
Because they stole the source code to the election machines in 2020 and modified the software to cheat the 2024 election, subverting the will of the people.
If you can’t prove it or enforce it, it doesn’t really matter. Otherwise you sound just like them the first time Trump lost.
I’m terrified of it.
I’ve talked to relatives on both sides of my family who have experience those times and they have nothing good to say about it.
My grandmother went from hoping the Nazis would ignore her, to hoping the American bombs would miss her, to hoping that the Russian soldiers wouldn’t rape her.
My grandfather had guys from both the KMT and the CPC point guns at his head to try to get him to join (on separate occasions) and ended up a refugee.
Both China and Austria are doing very nicely now but boy did it suck getting there.
My grandmother went from hoping the Nazis would ignore her, to hoping the American bombs would miss her, to hoping that the Russian soldiers wouldn’t rape her.
Its a shame she didn’t just start fighting back instead of just hoping they’d ignore her.
Yeah. It’s a shame she didn’t get together with all her teenage friends and face off against the SS. That definitely would have stopped them in their tracks.
How do you think they were beaten? By running away?
And loads if French resistors were teenaged.
What was the single biggest success of the French resistance?
What would those teenagers have done differently to not end up like the White Rose?
They provided a massive amount of intelligence, without with, the advance of Allied forces would have been far slower, and far more bloody. They also freed quite a number of Allied POWs, and got them back past the lines. They also downed comms and infra against the Nazis to blind them and slow their advances. They were also a key reason France was able to rapidly rebuild it’s forces post WWII.
Do people just skip WWII history these days?
The fuck is wrong with you?
Some people are not fighters. The species is full of variation because we are cultural and depend on specialization. I state the obvious.
We all have choices to make. To live as a slave, or fight for freedom. Are some people just “naturally slaves”?
Soldiers require 2 to 20 people each providing support. You can resist without picking up a gun. Stop assuming.
Providing support isn’t the same as “hiding and hoping Nazis ignore me”. Spoiler: They wont ignore you for long, and you hoping they go away just allows them to centralize and build their power.
They aren’t afraid. They have the Department of War, and ICE to protect them and their property.
There are about 1.3 million active duty military, 137,000 federal law enforcement officers, and 800,000 total law enforcement in the country. There are about 350 million people in the United States. They are not even 1% of the population.
And remeber they could win a war agaisnt goat herders in Afghanistan. This is our soil, and americans are crazy armed.
Numbers alone are meaningless.
You can’t argue nazis out of your government. Churchill didn’t convince Hitler to back out of Poland over a friendly cuppa.
Well it’s true. You can’t be diplomatic with fascists. You can’t “get on the same level” with billionaires.
They have no reason to listen or care, unless we give them a reason to listen or care.
And no matter what, all violence is somehow leftist violence. Trump in his speech to the generals said that they need to deploy against ‘animals’ who fire at firefighters climbing ladders to save people. At first I was incredulous, but then I saw a comment that pointed out that not too long ago a Trump supporter really did fire at firefighters doing their jobs (and climbing ladders). Not only that, but he was the one who started the fire in the first place to bait them.
Yet it is our fault somehow…
This is exactly how it’s being orchestrated. Pit the people against each other so the politicians and wealthy can get away with literal murder.
We are being governed by the “Epstein Elite”, literal pedophiles and sex traffickers and the idiots that kneel to them.
culture wars crap= aka, anti-wokeness, antivaxx, anti-trans.
not class wars=billionaires vs the not .01%
“Those who make peaceful reform impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
I hate that I agree with this.
Humans can be so much more than violent cavemen, but we aren’t there quite yet.
That’s part of why I’m neither a patriot nor a tyrant.
Suprisingly, both of them are on the same side of the barricade.
Yea for sure, suck the copium. There is a reason why patriots rhymes perfectly with idiots
magats are not patriots.
Patriots love their country and criticize it when its wrong.
Nationalists create a fantasy narrative of what their concept of a “country” is, and think that’s the best thing in the world.
I probably fit into the category of “patriot”, I love the multiculturalism of the US, I love the progress that has been made on Civil Rights and the protection of people with disabilities and recognition of the rights of LGBT+ people, I love the constitution (well… some parts need to be tweaked), the 1st and 2nd amendments, separation of powers, the idea that “American” is not a race, but an ideal; And I do recognize that the history is dark and those dark history should be taught so we can prevent those from happening, and I do NOT support this administration’s blatant violation of the constitution and anyone involved should be thrown in jail.
These “nationalists” don’t even love the country, they do not support freedom, they are traitors, and should be dealt with accordingly.
Patriots love their country and criticize it when its wrong.
This line turned on a light bulb deep in the recesses of my brain that were formed while being raised by rural conservatives.
In my conservative world at least, punching down was pretty much universal, not just a political thing. You don’t criticize your parents/betters or honestly even disagree with them many times, but you can expect criticism of your own every move. Generational trauma isn’t a single event, after all.
Or, if you’re lucky, the parent is the type to sweep everything under the rug and pretend that everything is perfect.
So with those kinds of traits plus the very hierarchical thinking, you can see how you simply do not criticize your people in charge, your religion, etc.
But that’s only for YOUR people. If somebody is an OTHER then that means they are nowhere on your hierarchy (the correct one, obvs) and are therefore worth less than the lowest peon on your side.
Soooooo, that was a long way of saying these people probably THINK they love their country because they treat it with the same honor, deference, and “see no evil” that they give their own grandmother.
They literally are. The same goes for Israelis commiting genocides, as to the Russians commiting it. All of them are patriots to the fullest, and you can suck you copium freely, because as it seems, you are very simillar to them. Just waiting for your own patriotic front to be on the rise.
magats are not patriots.
They are. That’s the dirty truth of the Post-Cold War state of the nation. What we’re getting a taste of is authentic Real Americana.
All the flowery liberal hagiographies of noble, selfless liberty lovers was propaganda. Trump is the beating heart of American oligarchy. And the oligarchs have had this country by the throat since the day settlers put boots on the soil of the New World.
These “nationalists” don’t even love the country, they do not support freedom
The “freedom” this country promises is a lie. It’s the old Auschwitz line. “Work shall set you free”. Horseshit. These people want to work you into your grave.
They are. That’s the dirty truth of the Post-Cold War state of the nation. What we’re getting a taste of is authentic Real Americana.
You are getting a taste of long running russian media manipulation, enabled by rich oligarchs who care more about their power and money than country.
A russian literally wrote the book on how to take down the country.
And this shit thats happening right now is literally what was written in it.
You’re not seeing anything authentically americana from the right. You are seeing gullible idiots manipulated by outside forces to destroy the very ground they stand on out from under themselves, and do it while praising a country that they and their predecessors hated and vilified as the great communist evil.
A russian literally wrote the book on how to take down the country.
Which Russian, the one that says gay atheists take down the country or the one that says gay Jews take down the country?
Russia pushes every angle. The point is to spread division.
FTFY
“Israel pushes every angle. The point is to spread division.”
A russian literally wrote the book on how to take down the country.
Sorry bro, but the calls are coming from inside the house.
Part Two of Washington Bullets begins with a nine point manual on how the US goes about enacting regime change against those who defy their interests. Prashad uses the events of the 1954 CIA backed coup of Jocobo Arbenz in Guatemala, and a myriad of other examples, to describe the repeated strategies used by the CIA, and other regime change arms of the US State Department. There are patterns of imperialism which play out again and again. Understanding these patterns is vital when analyzing what the State Department is currently looking to do to their enemies such as China, Venezuela, and Iran.
The first step in any US regime change effort is to manufacture public support for intervention. This involves a propaganda campaign not just at home, but also within the target Nation. Prior to the coup in Guatemala, journalists from NYT, Chicago Tribune, and TIME all received payments from the United Fruit, the multinational company which dominated Guatemala. In reality Arbenz was a popular leader who sought to enact minor land reforms. In the media he was portrayed as a dangerous communist, drunk with power. As the US corporate media fell in line, the CIA filled the streets of Guatemala with anti-Arbenz propaganda. This strategy of propagandizing both the American Public, and the people of whatever country the US is targeting, has been repeated again and again. Libya, Syria, and Venezuela have all seen money from the West used to bolster right wing media campaigns inside their borders. Control of public opinion has been one of the most vital components to US regime change efforts from the beginning.
Step four in Prashad’s manual of regime change is to “Make the Economy Scream.” A reference to directions given by Henry Kissinger and Richard Nixon to the CIA in 1970, as the US looked to overthrow the Democratically elected Salvadore Allende in Chile. Here we see a vital component of what Prashad calls ‘hybrid war.’ Isolating from the world those Nations who seek to develop themselves, and reclaim their own natural resources. Sanctions and blockades are used to starve smaller nations of financing and trade, as corporate media outlets point and say “look. Don’t you see socialism clearly doesn’t work?” US sanctions recently led to many deaths in Venezuela and Iran during the Covid-19 pandemic, as the US has continued their murderous regime change efforts, with techniques they designed almost 70 years ago.”
FTFY
You are getting a taste of long running Israel media manipulation, enabled by rich oligarchs who care more about their power and money than country.
Depends on how you define “patriot”. If it is strictly nationalism, then yeah. If you define “patriot” as someone who loves, in this context, democracy and human dignity, then I would disagree.
Every patriot loves his country as long as it’s feed with propaganda and lies about it. Ah, and as long as patriot is in the gaining side of the country. If not, they will start spreading bullshit about “the other group is not group of true patriots”.
Idiots rhymes with patriots perfectly, and for me it’s the perfect comedy.
I’ve never known the term “patriot” to not be soley a nationalist dog-whistle… unless we’re talking about beers on Family Guy
To me, a patriot always been someone who is willing to sacrifice of themselves to make the country better for everyone else. Whether that means sacrificing their life in battle, giving up significant wealth, or using their talents to help those in need.
MAGA is all about grievance, and what the country should be doing to service them. They are nationalists and identitarians, not patriots.
I always thought nationalists are fed a sense of pride (through indoctrination, propaganda, belittling of other nations) in their country, and patriots just develop their pride organically because the country they live in is great at taking care of their people (and even those who are from other nations).
Those are nationalists, not patriots. They love tyrants.
1775: Breaking News, there’s a growing number of colonists who think violence is necessary…
if this comes to violence, I will be slaughtered. not because I plan to fight, but because trans people have been so thoroughly villianized by the Right. I won’t hurt a soul, but I expect to be hurt.
violence would be a catastrophe.
All transgender medical therapy is being made illegal. That’s violence. Another step up the genocide ladder.
yep. that’s why me and everyone I know is prepping to DIY. they can pry my estradiol from my cold, dead hands.
It’s already happening. If I was trans I would be looking to flee the country ASAP. I wouldn’t even trust blue states to protect me.
its a step closer to controlling women in general, its the endgame. because most transphobia has been happening to transgendered women, more than men who FTM. Also it creates another problem, by mislabeling non-transgedered women as well, i knew a family member that was misgendered by a demographic other than caucasians that specifically is wierdly obsessed with them.
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You can’t vote your way out of fascism. Trump already launched an insurrection to hold on to power. He won’t let it go now that he’s better entrenched.
I suppose we’ll give it a try in a year. I do think leftists, including myself, should admit and prepare that they might need to violently resist The State tho.
Violence is how we beat the Nazis the first time. If there’s a cleaner option that’s actually feasible, then yes please… but failing that, cutting the head off the snake is a pretty tried and true method. And if it grows back, cut that one off too - they’ll get the message eventually.
Exactly. Ultimately these people don’t actually believe in anything other than power. Their arguments are in bad faith. Any compromise is just a temporary weigh station as they prepare to push even harder.
How did compromising with the right work for abortion? Parental consent laws became onerous clinical regulations became bans on performing procedures became making getting an abortion legally murder. How did compromising on trans rights go? A few “reasonable concerns” about girl’s sports became blanket bans on sports became bans on life-saving care for minors became restrictions on basic ID documents became attempts to criminalize the very existence of trans people. This isn’t slippery slope conjecture; it’s directly observed history.
The simple awful truth is that we have fundamentally incompatible visions of the world. They see The Handmaid’s Tail as an ideal to aim for. They think the literal God of the universe wants them to create this nightmare. And with God at their backs, they can justify any evil to create their warped utopia. Any action can be justified. Any lie can be excused. Any suffering by any number of people now can be balanced against the perfect lives they imagine we’ll all live once they force us all into their dream world. The worst thing about them, is that they actually think they’re the good guys.
This is the fundamental problem. Their vision of an Earthly paradise is our vision of Hell on Earth. We have fundamentally different visions for the future. They cannot convince the majority of the population to willingly create their vision. So they have to resort to violence, disenfranchisement, propaganda, and fraud. (All justified for the greater good.) And ultimately we’re going to have to use every tactic they use and more if we want to keep these monsters from turning our nation into Gilead.
Guns do not protect you from Fox News.
I disagree with Lemmy (and the growing public sentiment), but for the opposite extreme reason: we are beyond violence changing things. This is a propaganda/reality war, and truth doesn’t really matter.
