• Queen HawlSera@lemm.ee
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    I wish more teachers and academics would do this, because I"m seeing too many cases of “That one student I pegged as not so bright because my class is in the morning and they’re a night person, has just turned in competent work. They’ve gotta be using ChatGPT, time to report them for plagurism. So glad that we expell more cheaters than ever!” and similar stories.

    Even heard of a guy who proved he wasn’t cheating, but was still reported anyway simply because the teacher didn’t want to look “foolish” for making the accusation in the first place.

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      I uploaded one of my earlier papers that I wrote myself, before AI was really a thing, to a GPT detector site. The entire intro paragraph came back as 100% AI written.

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        At this point I’m convinced these detectors are looking for the usage of big words and high word counts, instead of actually looking for things like incorrect syntax, non-sequitur statements, suspiciously rapid topic changes, forgetting earlier parts of the paper to only reference things that happen in the previous sentence…

        Too many of these “See, I knew you were cheating! This proves it!” Professors are pointing to “flowery language”, when that’s kind of the number one way to reach a word count requirement.

        When it shouldn’t be that hard, I used to use ChatGPT to help edit stories I write (Fiction writer as a hobby), but then when I realized it kept pointing me to grammar mistakes that just didn’t exist, ones that it failed to elaborate on when pressed for details.

        I then asked what exactly my story was about.

        I was then given a massive essay that reeked of “I didn’t actually read this, but I’m going to string together random out of context terminology from your book like I’m a News Reporter from the 90’s pretending to know what this new anime fad is.” Some real “Cowboy Bepop at his computer” shit

        The main point of conflict of the story wasn’t even mentioned. Just some nonsense about the cast “Learning about and exploring the Spirit World!” (The story was not about the afterlife at all, it was about a tribe that generations ago was cursed to only birth male children and how they worked with missionaries voluntarily due to requiring women from outside the tribe to “offer their services” in order to avoid extinction… It was a consensual thing for the record… This wasn’t mentioned in ChatGPT’s write up at all)

        That’s when the illusion broke and I realized I wasn’t having MegaMan.EXE jack into my system to fight the baddies and save my story! I merely had an idiot who didn’t speak english as a writing partner, and I’ve never

        I wish I hadn’t let that put me off writing more…

        I was building to a bigger conflict where the tribe breaks the curse and gets their women back, they believe wives will just manifest from the ether… Instead the Fertility Goddess that cursed them was just going to reveal that their women were being born into male bodies, and just turn all who would have been born female to be given male bodies instead. So when the curse was broken half the tribe turned female creating a different kind of shock.

        There was this set up that the main character was a warrior for the tribe who had a chauvinistic overly macho jackass for a rival… and the payoff was going to be that the lead character was going to be one of those “Women cursed with masculinity”, so when the curse is broken he becomes a woman and gets both courted by and bullied by the rival over it, who eventually learns that your close frenemy suddenly having a vagina is not a license to bang her, no matter what “TG Transformation Story Cliches” say about the matter…

        Lot of

        “Dahl’mrk, I swear if you replace my hut’s hunting idol with one of those fertility statuettes while I’m sleeping one more time, I’m going to shove both up your bumhole.”

        Energy…

        God I should really get back to it, I had only finished chapter one… and the mass gender-unbending doesn’t happen till chapter 3.

  • Lamps@lemm.ee
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    Just takes one student with a screen reader to get screwed over lol

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    For those that didn’t see the rest of this tweet, Frankie Hawkes is in fact a dog. A pretty cute dog, for what it’s worth.

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    Ah yes, pollute the prompt. Nice. Reminds me of how artists are starting to embed data and metadata in their pieces that fuck up AI training data.

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      Reminds me of how artists are starting to embed data and metadata in their pieces that fuck up AI training data.

      It still trains AI. Even adding noise does. Remember captchas?

      Metadata… unlikely to do anything.

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        In theory, methods like nightshades are supposed to poison the work such that AI systems trained on them will have their performance degraded significantly.

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          The problem with nightshade or similar tools is, that if you leave the changes it makes at too weak a setting, then it can be pretty easily removed. For example GAN upscalers that pre date modern “AI”, were pretty much built to remove noise or foreign patterns. And if you make the changes strong enough that they can’t be removed by these models (because so much information was lost), then the image looks like shit. Its really difficult to strike a balance here.

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          Read it. I don’t think it will have bigger impact than lossy image compression or noisy raytraced images.

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    Wouldn’t the hidden text appear when highlighted to copy though? And then also appear when you paste in ChatGPT because it removes formatting?

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    Shouldn’t be the question why students used chatgpt in the first place?

    chatgpt is just a tool it isn’t cheating.

    So maybe the author should ask himself what can be done to improve his course that students are most likely to use other tools.

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      ChatGPT is a tool that is used for cheating.

      The point of writing papers for school is to evaluate a person’s ability to convey information in writing.

      If you’re using a tool to generate large parts of the paper, the teacher is no longer evaluating you, they’re evaluating chatGPT. That’s dishonest in the student’s part, and circumventing the whole point of the assignment.

    • PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world
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      It’s the same argument as the one used against emulators. The actual emulator may not be illegal, but they are overwhelmingly used to violate the law by the end user.

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    I don’t get it (not a native English speaker). Someone cares to ELI5? Thanks a lot in advance.

    Edit: thank you everybody for explaining :-)

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      Students are cheating by using a program that can do their homework for them.

      A smart professor hid a guideline to cite works by a dog.

      The students who copy pasted the prompt got works attributed to a dog in their homework.