- Not true at all. Vile lies spread by the Democrats.
- Okay, maybe it is true, but it’s actually a good thing.
- Okay, maybe the results are catastrophic, but it’s actually the Democrats’ fault. The solution is higher tariffs.
Everyone needs a lesson in how tarrifs work. Tarrifs are a tax on thing that US companies buy. They are intended to make foreign products more expensive to protect domestic producers. So, the American company pays the tariff. They then pass that tariff on to their customer, either another company or an American consumer. Then, the country that the tariff had been applied to applies offsetting tarrifs on American goods.
When the product that the tariff is applied to can’t be produced in the US, think advanced microchips or Canadian softwood lumber, Americans pay more but still have to buy the foreign product. With the softwood lumber tarrifs the cost of building a home with Canadian softwood lumber went up by tens of thousands of dollars and Canadian companies laughed all the way to the bank. American consumers paid more and Canadian companies made record profits because the US can’t produce enough softwood lumber to meet its needs.
So, the price to American companies and consumers goes up and the cost of American goods overseas goes up. Americans pay the tarrifs and American companies sell less goods overseas.
America loses.
What I love… what I really love… is that this happened during the administration of Trump’s favorite president (other than himself), Andrew Jackson:
So in your example, I guess the tariffs don’t apply to Canada? Because the proceeds of tariffs go to the government of the country charging them.
I’m not sure what you’re asking. If you’re referring to softwood lumber the profits of Canadian lumber companies were at record levels because the US needs Canadian softwood lumber with or without tarrifs. The tarrifs didn’t affect sales at all so with the increased demand despite the tarrifs Canadian companies didn’t suffer at all. US consumers spent more and the money went to the US government which presumably gave some of the money to uncompetitive US softwood lumber companies to subsides their unprofitable operations. It’s a tax on US consumers.
Canadian softwood lumber companies pay a stumpage fee to sustainably harvest softwood on public land. US softwood lumber companies pay much higher prices to harvest lumber mostly on private land. It’s all about extracting the highest profit for the most wealthy people. Canada has a better system and the US is salty about it. The US has lost at the WTO every time but refuses to accept the result so it ignores its treaty obligations and just forges ahead with the illegal tarrifs which hurt US consumers.
TIL, lots of Trumps voters don’t even know how tariffs work and thought the foreign companies are the one who paid those instead of the domestic buyers themselves.
Even if, did they think prices would just stay the same? Tariffs only work if production is moved back home, which for many industries won’t happen, which means costs will be passed on to consumers.
Rich get richer, poor people suffer. Americans are so f dumb i cant take it
Good. I hope he does it. Don’t let any of his yes-men or cronies tell him what a horrible idea it is. Let the whole fucking country burn.
Democrats, calling for deportations: Look at this disgusting tankie
… what
Democrats will stop calling for deportation when they see what kind of bottom line putting people in labor camps brings.
It will at least be extremely funny to watch all the right wing gamer bro chuds freak the fuck out when an immediate consequence of their actions will be that gaming pc components instantly inflate 50% in price.
Glad I already got my Steam Deck, fuck.
Bold of you to assune they won’t just blame Dems because it isn’t like reality matters.
I just said they would freak out.
Who they end up blaming is between them and their god emperor, I guess.
God Emperor*. I had to correct you or it would go against my Trump Score ™.
Fuck the dems, too. Less people voted this election, than the last election. People didn’t bother to go vote that should have.
If you think that’s funny just wait for all the construction bros to discover that Milwaukee is now a Chinese company and their M18 HD12 batteries suddenly cost >500 a pop
And automotive guys figuring out a good chunk of their replacement parts are European.
Oh, that too. Most of these compact SUVs are built foreign because that’s where they generate the most revenue. Imagine hitting a pheasant in your Chevy, a pheasant of all things, and getting a 10k insurance estimate because it cracked your made-in-Mexico integrated LED headlamp assembly and split your bumper cover
but but… Orange men said it was good for the economy, now I have to pay 2000 Dollars for a 5090? Why aren’t they coming to America and produce here!?
Good luck spending 3000$+ on RTX 5090 graphics brick
Maybe we will finally get some optimised games.
Ahhaha, good joke.
No the future is everything is more expensive and worse quality.
Only without the cool tech :(
CHIPS Act? Never heard of it.
Oh, the thing Trump called “so bad” on Joe Rogan a couple weeks ago? He said that tariffs are his preferred strategy to force companies to build in the US. Maybe that was just rhetoric and you can’t trust it, but he did say it.
As it stands, CHIPS isn’t going anywhere, so at least Americans won’t be totally fucked.
I know these things take time, but it’s really hard not to be skeptical of CHIPS amounting to much. It reminds me too much of all the grant money given to telecom companies like AT&T and Verizon - supposed to be for improving infrastructure and implementing 5G, but they just pocketed the money as profit.
For what it’s worth, I agree with you. Most telecom infrastructure funding has been historically pocketed. There is a chance it does work, though.
If not, maybe the tariffs will help in the short term by minimizing profit from overseas supply chains and incentivize American manufacturing, causing a positive effect on the sector in concert with CHIPS (but I doubt it).
actually I didn’t.
Its a pretty strategically and economically impactful piece of legislation pushed by, and then signed into law, by Biden, in 2022.
It basically sets up a bunch of tax incentives and funds to go toward building out domestic computer hardware research and manufacturing.
Its the kind of thing that would lay the foundation for the US building a lot more of its own computer hardware, instead of importing it.
So when the Trump tariff apocalypse hits… assuming the CHIPS Act does not get repealed, it will be the only saving grace in terms of possibly lowering computer hardware costs.
Trump and Republicans are likely to try and take credit for this, if domestic chip fabs start coming online before 2028, pretending it is something they came up with.
I really really hope that they will enact their economic agenda before their racist agenda. When they denaturalize and deport citizens, half of us will be cheering (unfortunately). When the price of electronics/ cars increases it distributes harm to all.
Fuck, I’ve been putting off getting a new laptop, but hell this is probably going to influence that decision.
Probably should get on it and buy it now ahead of day 1
Where so you think American farmers buy their fertilizer? Where they sell most of their soy and corn sell to? Maaaaany companies are either buying or selling to/from China. Many will go bankrupt, bany will struggle.
China is strengthening ties with Russia to replace u.s trade, and it shows that Putin is laughing his ass off at how he played a whole country, other than his I mean
Can someone please explain to me why he STILL doesn’t have any understanding of how tarrifs work?
A candidate that expressed nuanced understanding of economic principles would have been less likely to win the election.
A candidate that instead promises answers that intuitively sound right. If imports are expensive, then obviously the big business owners will build domestic and give us more money. If you get rid of immigrants, then the business owners will have to pay more for citizen workers. Simple answers that are easier for people to believe in.
Attempts to explain nuance? That ranges from nerds overcomplicating things and/or those darned liberal elites trying to truck them.
This cuts both ways. In 2020 Biden won not due to a more sophisticated understanding of things, but simply because things were bad, and the other guy therefore was the obvious choice. So to overcome an incumbent, you just have to have people believe stuff is bad, and provide some believable explanation that you could fix it.
I believe that he does, and he knows shit will cost more, but he ALSO knows that his followers have no clue whatsoever. So prices will increase, and he’ll blame it on one of their many “others”. Keeping them scared and mad is the key to their control over them
His followers know he’ll deliberately cause instability, that’s what they want.
The US is at least 40 years removed from any kind of real electronics manufacturing at scale.
This kind of thing takes generational knowledge to get right and we outsourced that knowledge a long time ago.
We are now several generations from being able to manufacture electronics on the level.
Either trump has no idea how anything works or he’s actively trying to destroy the American economy.
He will just give out stimulus checks to make everyone think the economy is good. Somehow that’s not socialism though it’s American!
yep, warm up those money printers. And too bad for anyone who has saved a nestegg for retirement-- thats all getting watered down now. ah well.
He likes Russia so much that he wants the US to become like it. He’s following the post-USSR playbook. He’s trying to destroy the economy so he and his billionaire buddies can buy up the scraps for pennies on the dollar. Which will turn him into an oligarch and will keep him in power after his term is up. And he isn’t going to pay for any of it. He will steal money from the people like he did in his first term with his golf course and his cult following will keep giving him money and buy his crypto coins. That’s why he wants to get rid of cryptocurrency regulation.
They’ll blame democrats for the price increases. Bet me.
Same as last time
Same as every time, this shit is so damn tiring
For years, us, Canadians went to USA for shopping. Next year with the exchange rate at the highest for US$, and Canada without tariff, a shit load of americans will come to Canada to buy their electronics and stuff.
I hope Trump turns out to be the best president in history. Prove me wrong, conservatives. I want to hear how it’s going by the fourth year.
I had similar thoughts in 2016 when he had a first attempt, and it was a dumpster fire. I’m not optimistic this time around.
Everyone who says he’s not the best President ever will be shot.
I mean, what do you think? He announced that. Apparently this is what the US-Citizens want.
It’s that damn reality that needs to be punished. Stupid facts and laws of economics making Trump look worse than he is.
Fuuuuuuuck me I wanted a new PC & a new laptop. How much time do I have before this hits?!
My phone was on its way out so I got something with better translation features and support for my move to Germany. Was it expensive? Yes. Is it less expensive than it will be? Also yes.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this causes scalpers to start hoarding goods again like they did during the pandemic. Artificial scarcity but still cheaper than the official price on Amazon or whatever.
Companies are pre-buying goods and laying off workers already, so why wouldn’t the citizenry?
Just so you know: Germany’s government basically imploded yesterday. Has been a long time coming, really.
Also, if you move to any of the big cities (FFM, Hamburg, Bremen, Berlin) you won’t need to speak German.
I’m aware. Been following that as well. I still trust Germany more than I trust the USA. I unfortunately can’t really move to one of the larger cities as it’s pretty cost prohibitive until my wife could find a job. We are going to live in a less populated town for a while and ramp up culturally and see how everything goes. She speaks Spanish fluently, so we may end up in Spain after some time. It’s hard to say.
As a german citizen: Good luck, and welcome to germany! Hope you have a great time here. There are many very very beautiful small towns which don’t costs much, but are usually still in the vicinity of larger cities. So you usually, if you plan correctly, you get the pro’s of both. Beautiful small historic city and if wanted the buzz of a big city withing an hour’s drive. Cheers!
New Ryzen 7 got released too. Looks cool
So we’re going to put tariffs on things where there aren’t even domestically-sourced options? WTF?
That’s the point of tariffs…to give domestic supply a shot.
It’s stupid and short-sighted in a modern economy. It’s not worth it for any manufacturer to shut down existing mega factories and build new ones here. They won’t find enough people to do the jobs (especially if we deport/denaturalize a ton of people) and the costs and re-investments are huge.
Plus the only places that are left to build giant factories are distant from population centers. And I doubt there will be mass transit into them. So more pollution from personal transportation. And more pollution from local factories. Ripping the EPA to shreds will help with that, and that’s a part of agenda 47.
And you just know the ones that choose to come and build here are gonna get really nice tax breaks to do so, so there won’t be any real return for the community for a long time, if ever.
The end result is either they pass the costs into consumers, or they cut costs by laying off their expensive state-side employees and moving their positions abroad. American middle-class loses bigly either way.
The natural destination of the US is a giant for-profit prison that leases convicts to businesses.
Domestic supply of what ?
That’s exactly the problem. We don’t, and in many places can’t, make things here.
A lot has to do with access to resources. China is dominating in electronics in part because they essentially (but not really) colonized most the world that has good silicon.
But moving manufacturing around the world, to a place where literally everything is more expensive, is an costly endeavor that simply won’t be worth it for most businesses.
I’m involved in the manufacturing sector. At recent trade shows, we’ve been hearing that a lot of companies were holding off on making decisions about purchasing goods and machinery until after the election, though no one was saying much specifically about what each candidate would mean for their decisions. This article seems to say the outlook isn’t super rosy and his initiatives don’t make a ton of sense.
I’m in manufacturing within China. While I’m not American and don’t work with American companies. Lots of our supply chain has said there is high levels of uncertainty in projects. Projects have been on hold for months.
