It seems to me that Republicans and the Christian Nationalists they are in bed with are going to be immovably pro-Israel. How do we prevent our government from participating in this genocide as these new politicians take power?
Lol.
Too late.
Palestine will cease to exist.
Why?
Because Donald Trump only helps those who he can directly benefit from. Palestine cannot benefit him. Israel can.
If you want to help Palestine, build a time machine, go back in time, and tell every liberal/independent fool who voted 3rd party or abstained from voting over the whole Palestine thing to do the smart thing instead.
Elections have consequences, and every last American is about to find that out the real hard way.
Palestine will cease to exist.
You mean Israel has been trying, and failing, to do since 1948?
You sure do give white supremacists a lot of credit, don’t you?
You mean Israel has been trying, and failing, to do since 1948?
Have they tried as hard as they’re trying right now? Did they have someone named Donald Trump who was interested in helping them, or at least entirely getting out of their way while they do it, instead of putting up some form of resistance to the idea of them wiping Palestine out?
You sure do give white supremacists a lot of credit, don’t you?
I wouldn’t call it credit. I’d call it reading a history book and undestanding how far white supremacists are willing to go when given enough power.
Have they tried as hard as they’re trying right now?
Nope. They have never been this desperate.
Did they have someone named Donald Trump who was interested in helping them
The (so-called) “west” has been interested in helping them since 1948. That’s why they have the kind of firepower now they could only have dreamt of in 1948 - and they are failing nonetheless.
or at least entirely getting out of their way
The US isn’t standing in their way. Palestinians with RPG-7s are standing in their way.
white supremacists are willing to go when given enough power.
White supremacism gave itself all the power it wanted all over the world. And yet, despite this power, one by one the colonialist chickens was forced to come home to roost after the failure of white supremacism to remain dominant in the colonized world. It’s now the US’s turn to experience that failure.
The US isn’t standing in their way. Palestinians with RPG-7s are standing in their way.
If you think Palestine is going to survive for much longer, then you have an optimism I can only dream of. Even if Trump simply stands out of the way. Which is unlikely, because Donald Trump only helps those who can benefit him and Israel can benefit him. So expect more of our BOOM BOOMs to end up there in the near future.
Palestine is done.
one by one the colonialist chickens was forced to come home to roost after the failure of white supremacism
Yes, and the last time they got REAL power it took millions of lives and an unquantifiable amount of money/resources to put them back down.
If you think Palestine is going to survive for much longer,
The literal ex-commander of the Gaza division doesn’t share your denialism. about Israel’s chances.
Like I said… you give white supremacism a lot of credit.
So expect more of our BOOM BOOMs
You mean the ones that are already there?
Yes, and the last time they got REAL power it took millions of lives
Oh no… they were costing millions of lives looooong before Mussolini gave it a name. And western liberal society was perfectly fine with it both before and after as long as it remained in the colonized world.
It’s almost as if liberalism simply accepts that a bit of fascism every now and then is simply the cost of doing business.
The literal ex-commander of the Gaza division doesn’t share your denialism. about Israel’s chances.
Gonna need more than the opinion of an ex-commander. I’ve heard a lot of ex-military say things. Look at Michael Flynn. Not exactly an icon of honesty and trustworthyness.
Like I said… you give white supremacism a lot of credit.
That’s because history has taught me to be very, very concerned with the capabilities of organized white supremacism.
It’s almost as if liberalism simply accepts that a bit of fascism every now and then is simply the cost of doing business.
This seems like an emotional opinion.
Look at Michael Flynn.
So, you chose an example from another country that also cannot win it’s wars despite an overwhelming technological and logistical advantage over it’s victims?
The Palestinians doesn’t seem to have any problems trusting theirs. I wonder why?
That’s because history
History is not an excuse to assign white supremacism any kind of “superiority.”
This seems like an emotional opinion.
Really? I find it funny that a person that claims to base their opinion on history doesn’t seem to understand the intimate link between liberalism and fascism.
Vote Harris… Wait. Damnit.
That wouldn’t have helped this situation EDIT: I voted Harris, but if you think she would have changed course away from pro genocide once elected you are insane. She has been second in command of the genocide for a year. She made very clear statements of total support for Israel. She was confronted by the left to change course and she told them to go fuck themselves.
Do you really think that Kamala Harris and Donald Trump would be equally bad on this issue? Why?
You can’t get worse than the Biden Harris stance. And there is no way Donald Trump is going to be better. So yeah equally bad.
You absolutely can. You can send the US military directly in to finish the job. Or private military contractors. Or stop giving what aid is currently being sent. What doctors are currently there. It can and will get worse with direct involvement.
You can send the US military directly in to finish the job.
You want the US to lose another war?
Lol, I keep joking to people that my side is dumb enough to believe the two are equal on that and every day one of y’all proves me right.
Because supporting that genocidal white supremacist colonialist project is US POLICY.
Israel’s extermination campaign is already underway with full support from the Democrats. Harris wouldn’t have saved the Palestinians.
Kid, you should try reading things by actual, paid journalists, who aren’t just contributors to free online “news” sources.
Or good books.
Don’t tell other people to read anything when it’s perfectly clear you don’t know what the fuck you are gibbering about.
You should read a few good books as well. Might I suggest:
On Palestine by Noam Chomsky, Ilan Pappé, and Frank Barat
The Message by Ta-Nehisi Coates
A Dying Colonialism by Frantz Fanon
Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky and Edward S. Herman
Actual journalists like Mehdi Hasan at Zeteo and Amy Goodman at Democracy Now! are doing excellent work on this issue.
Manufacturing consent is one of my favourites!
I’m not a kid and I’m not wrong in saying the genocide is currently underway with full support of the Biden administration and the overall Democratic party.
Both claims are debatable.
Do you think things won’t get worse under trump? Or do you think some 50,000 dead a year is the worst Israel can do?
The claim that Isrsel is currently performing a genocide on the Palestinians is not debatable. They have cut off the entirety of Northern Gaza and started executing everyone they see on site. They besieged the only remaining hospital there several times and imprisoned all but a couple of the staff. They are deliberately trying to starve the population and even went so far as banning the UNRWA, which is the only agency capable of keeping the Palestinians alive. And do you think that once they finish there they’ll stop? They will continue with the rest of Gaza once they are done. They’ve even started attacking and demolishing homes in the West Bank as well. And they’re trying to invade Lebanon as well like they have tried to in the past.
Saying things will get worse under Trump is pointless. The genocide is underway, and it’s been blessed by the Biden administration as well as the Democratic party. Harris has made it clear she doesn’t plan on deviating from this course. So I stand by previous statement, Harris would not have saved them. Either one as president, the Palestinians die.
That’s a wildly privileged set of statements. Declaring that a bad thing id happening and it doesn’t matter if it gets worse, goddamn kid.
It’s privilege to say “Trust me it can get worse even as an extermination campaign is underway and other countries are being invaded”.
The escalations that are coming in the next few months would have happened with Harris as well. Both political parties have made it abundantly clear that Israel can do whatever it wants. There are no red lines for them.
Don’t tell the liberals that. If you spook them now, they might start “reaching across the aisle” today instead of next week.
Too late bud
Sorry to break it to you, but you can’t.
There are a few remaining checks and balances on other issues, and the Democratic Party might be able to use its minority in Congress to strategically delay certain things. But foreign policy is entirely in the President and Congress’s domain. And while Republicans in Congress sometimes have internal bickering that derails their agenda, I expect Trump and Congress to march lock-step on this one. (Their marching might even be a bit like a goose step, come to think of it.)
It’s probably worth asking “what are the next steps for citizens of Portugal to stop the destruction of Palestine?”
Or Honduras or Australia or South Korea or Madagascar.
Because it’s now the same answer. You can do whatever you as a private citizen can do. Our friend’s dad travelled to Palestine and rode in on a boat loaded with construction supplies, sort of “throwing his body” in the path of the IDF to directly physically help Palestinians (he’s Jewish, btw).
Of course this was before this full scale war. I wouldn’t recommend this action now. Send money to aid groups. Whatever you could do from the suburbs of Cartegena, that’s what you can do as an American.
You can’t do anything about the policy from the top now. That’s a sealed envelope.
Keep blocking shipments of arms, figure out how to dismantle AIPAC, boost the voices of Palestinians and anti-Zionist Jews, follow BDS, donate to organizations like Palestinian Children’s Relief and the Palestine Red Crescent Society as well as individual families at gazafunds.com.
On the arms shipments, we may try lawsuits via the Leahy Law if the ethnic cleansing ramps up. The way the law is written, it actually looks at arms shipments all the way down to the granular level of individual military units. It does not say arms cannot be exported to countries engaging in war crimes, it specifically says individual military units that commit war crimes cannot receive arms. If they choose to engage in a broader campaign of organized displacement out of Gaza or starvation in places where combat has largely died down, a larger number of military units could potentially become implicated, which could maybe make a lawsuit more feasible. We’ll have to see.
Regarding AIPAC, since Citizen’s United determined that monetary donations are a form of speech, this requires either an amendment or recapture of the Supreme Court. Otherwise Americans are allowed to lobby the government for whatever they wish, even if they are doing so at the behest of a foreign government. They have to disclose that, but so long as they do, they are simply exercising their Constitutional rights as perceived by the current Supreme Court. This isn’t going away any time soon, the current law is very clear and pretty much ironclad, rooted in the Constitution itself via the Bill of Rights.
How can a regular person block shipments of arms or dismantle AIPAC? That’s not possible.
What does boosting voices of soon to be dead people do to stop them from dying? What does organizing or donating do?
Trump has promised Israel everything they need, no questions asked, no limits. And they already have so much, they don’t really need a lot more. They can already destroy Palestine, they can already destroy parts of Iran and Lebanon. They just need the extra stuff and funds to do it quicker and destroy more of those countries.
And don’t think for a second Trump and their cronies won’t block any money flow from the US to anywhere near there and divert it to Israel instead. And block organizations in the US from doing anything. Israel is already blocking aid for Palestine even from organizations like the Red Cross. What are small organizations going to do?
Plus the time to act has come and gone. Time is up, this is going to happen within months. We can’t organize, lobby for policy change, set up aid and demonstrations. It’s done, there is a deadline and that means death for a whole lot of people.
All we can do at this point is look with shock and horror as the far right grips the world and destroys a lot of the things we hold dear.
Hey, come on, the question was meant seriously, but not that seriously
I am stealing someone else’s idea (can’t remember whose), but just make non-stop memes about Trump being Netanyahu’s pet, and let the narcissism run wild. If everyone one on social media was sharing memes about Trump being Netanyahu’s bitch especially after Netanyahu said Biden was better than Trump, I believe there would be ton of budget cuts to Israel.
pet
In a subby gimp plaything kind of way.
We’re sick and tired of political opinions masquerading as questions - take it to a political audience - please leave us. This is not the place.
Side question. Which communities can I do that? I have some questions I want to ask, but haven’t found a place. The politics community requires a link to an article, which is practically what I want to ask for.
the best time to get educated about what a fascist american government looks like is 20-25 years ago. the second best time is… wait, too late
How do we prevent our government
It’s really simple. You start getting your head around the idea of actually OPPOSING your own government.
Don’t pretend you don’t know how to do this. Antifa and BLM have already shown you how to do this.
Convince a fuckton of electors to go rogue and vote Harris in January. Of course you’d have a better chance at winning the lottery than that
Be billionaire and outbid Netanyahu
You could vote for the candidate least likely to Genocide. I think Kamala was her name…
No seriously, I hope Palestine gets the policies that all the Genocide Joes here voted for. You earned it for them! 🫡
Joe Biden was all in. There is nothing that can be done at this point. Truly fucked
