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jointhefediverse.net seems to be a commonly linked resource for directing people to join the Fediverse.

Curiously, it does not list Lemmy under the list of Reddit alternatives. Their GitHub README explains why.

Previous relevant discussion: https://lemmy.ml/post/78808

  • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
    117·
    6 days ago

    Lemmy was removed due to:

    • reports of how the developers handle certain types of content (post removed, view an incomplete archive)
    • the behavior of its creator
    • how the sotware itself handles users’ privacy.

    All valid concerns.

    • Serinus@lemmy.worldEnglish
      45·
      6 days ago

      No, they’re not.

      how the developers handle certain types of content

      Doesn’t matter if you stay away from .ml.

      the behavior of its creator

      Kind of valid, but open source and open license negates a lot of that.

      how the sotware itself handles users’ privacy.

      You think anything else on the Fediverse is better? When you post something publicly, it’s public. Doesn’t really matter what the software does. If you don’t have End to End encryption, it’s not private.

      • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        6·
        5 days ago

        Doesn’t matter if you stay away from .ml.

        And they are. They have delisted Lemmy as a recommendation.

        Kind of valid, but open source and open license negates a lot of that.

        It’s really bad PR. I don’t recommend Lemmy to people because of this shit.

        You think anything else on the Fediverse is better?

        If their servers delete content you want deleted, yes.

        • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgEnglish
          6·
          5 days ago

          If their servers delete content you want deleted, yes.

          It’s the case for Lemmy

          Unfortunately there was some miscommunication in this issue and we failed to get to the root cause. In fact the Lemmy backend has an option to delete all content when an account is deleted. This used to be the default behaviour but was changed in 0.19 so you need to set a parameter delete_content. We failed to add a checkbox for this parameter to lemmy-ui.

          However the checkbox is added now in #2385 and will be included in the next Lemmy release. Other frontends and clients may also need to adjust the delete_account api call.

          https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/2384#issuecomment-1978857727

    • Skiluros@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      75·
      6 days ago

      Point 1 and 2 really need to be addressed.

      It would be so much better if lemmy wasn’t developed by genocide white-washing tankies.

    • realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.clubEnglish
      58·
      6 days ago

      I hate it when people try to gatekeep like this. I don’t need to be handheld. If there’s a Fediverse alternative to something and it mostly works, it should be on the website. Anything less is not useful at best.

      Edit: I say this as someone who has historically criticized the behavior of the devs as well as multiple Lemmy communities BTW.

      • SirEDCaLot@lemmy.todayEnglish
        16·
        5 days ago

        I agree 100% with this. The developers or the operators of lemmy.ml may be assholes, but the beauty of decentralization is I can simply not use their instance. I do not. Thus, while a warning label is necessary, I think more good is done by making people aware of the alternative to Reddit than by sweeping the whole thing under the rug.

        As for user privacy, I’m not sure Lemmy is any worse than any other Fediverse app. There were a couple of bad things like being unable to delete a hosted image, but that has been fixed. Once again, warning label, not rug sweep.

      • timestatic@feddit.orgEnglish
        4·
        5 days ago

        I mean the person maintaining this site just chose to not recommend it themself based on valid concerns. Nothing is stopping you from looking into lemmy and using it anyways.

    • Bezier@suppo.fiEnglish
      37·
      6 days ago

      To me the first one is an instance problem (ml, hexbear?), and not a lemmy problem. It has looked like they’ve been trying to separate the two as much as possible.

    • Fizz@lemmy.nzEnglish
      23·
      6 days ago

      What is the issue with user privacy? These do not sound like valid concerns to me.

    • comfy@lemmy.mlEnglish
      18·
      6 days ago

      The linked post given on the second point is a bit flimsy. It’s basically saying that if you use evidence published by a person with shitty views, you must have them too. To me, that’s absurd as claiming that referencing FBI statistics makes someone a federal agent.

    • SolarMonkey@slrpnk.netEnglish
      16·
      6 days ago

      These concerns, and more, are why just today, during a conversation with some friends looking to get off traditional social media, I advised them to join pixelfed, peer tube, mastodon, and loops, but suggested they strictly avoid Lemmy.

      The communities aren’t right for anyone who isn’t seeking something exactly like Lemmy or leftie-Reddit-lite. I don’t even really like it here all that much anymore. Not the content; the interactions… across all my accounts… even joining “nicer” spaces is not a particularly nice or pleasant experience, plus the more interested is a woman, and Lemmy is a horrible sausagefest echo chamber not at all suited to a normal average woman person who isn’t techie. I’m techie, so I’m used to the vibe, but for your average cis-woman, Lemmy is a very very bad fit.

      Bring on the downvotes if you like (the echo-chamber anti-voice sentiment is part of why people shouldn’t be recommended this platform, after all) but these are legit concerns for people who may want to join, and those of us already here can and do steer people elsewhere as a result.

      • archomrade [he/him]@midwest.socialEnglish
        9·
        6 days ago

        Lemmy is a horrible sausagefest echo chamber not at all suited to a normal average woman person who isn’t techie.

        Far be it from me to point out this is exactly how reddit started.

        The foundational promise of lemmy and the fediverse writ large is freedom from proprietary software and closed-protocols; the kind of people who are going to be interested in seeking out those types of alternatives are going to gravitate toward techy men.

        It takes time for new social media sites to fan outward from their initial adopters, that’s just how it goes.

      • GrammarPolice@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        6 days ago

        Same honestly. I never discussed politics on Reddit, but it’s all the content that’s here. Partly why I don’t recommend it to anyone i know who uses Reddit. Most content just isn’t normie-friendly here.

        • SolarMonkey@slrpnk.netEnglish
          6·
          6 days ago

          It’s so depressing and aggressive, honestly. I can’t do that to my friends who don’t do that already.

          • FuzzyWeevil@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
            2·
            5 days ago

            Have you been on Reddit lately? It’s insanely depressing and aggressive, too. Even more so in my opinion. I used to be reddit addicted but it’s so bot infested, mean-spirited, and kind of vapid and shallow that I get bored after the first page or two. Lemmy still has a long way to go but I’ve been having more fun and interesting conversations on here.

      • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        9·
        6 days ago

        First link is completely unviewable for me on mobile, the entire thread is a chain of posts that say “Please don’t use Lemmy :( Human rights, oppression” with a show more button that doesn’t work, and the original thread is gone. Could you(/someone) paste what it says? I’d try on desktop but our internet has been out since the fires started in LA

        • unalivejoy@lemm.eeEnglish
          7·
          6 days ago

          Entire thread, all from the same user:

          Post 1

          Please don’t use Lemmy :( Human rights, oppression

          Human rights mean a lot to me. I joined the Fediverse to make the world a nicer place. My efforts are pathetically small, but hopefully make at least a tiny difference.

          I used to recommend Lemmy very strongly, thought the people who develop it were nice folks interested in making the world better too.

          However, recent discussions with the developers has changed my mind completely.

          I am very suspicious about their motivations now.

          1/6

          Post 2

          Please don’t use Lemmy :( Human rights, oppression

          Lemmy’s developers say “we are strictly against all forms of oppression (including genocide), and dont allow anything that promotes or supports oppression” and “We definitely are very staunchly against bigotry or persecution of minorities, and are strict about banning that”.

          This is difficult to fully reconcile with what actually happens on the developers’ own instance, and those they feature.

          2/6

          Post 3

          Please don’t use Lemmy :( Human rights, oppression

          The problem here isn’t Lemmy’s politics, but their attitude to threads about human rights violations.

          On the face of it, the developers’ main Lemmy instance has lots of uncontroversial general interest threads, but when you start digging on controversial topics a worrying pattern emerges.

          The worrying posts are very reminiscent of the way certain churches have handled priest abuse claims: denial.

          3/6

          Post 4

          Please don’t use Lemmy :( Human rights, oppression

          There’s threads denyng the oppression of Uyghur muslims (this oppression has been well documented by NGOs, for example: https://www.amnesty.org.uk/actions/help-end-repression-uyghurs-china).

          Other posts deny that North Korea is oppressive.

          Meanwhile, another suggests celebrating Stalin’s birthday as he was such a great guy.

          (Incidentally, I have receipts, DM me if you want to see them for yourself.)

          4/6

          Post 5

          Please don’t use Lemmy :( Human rights, oppression

          You get the picture.

          These posts were on the main Lemmy instance, as featured on the official Lemmy website.

          Over the past few days I have tried to engage with Lemmy about these posts in private, as I was sure it must be a misunderstanding.

          However, Lemmy said that “none of the posts you linked are against our rules”, and refused to even discuss the actual issues because “this format is not conducive to political disagreements”.

          5/6

          Post 6

          Please don’t use Lemmy :( Human rights, oppression

          I deeply regret ever having publicised Lemmy. I’m really sorry.

          Don’t use Lemmy.

          For whatever my opinion is worth any more, I would now recommend that people cancel their donations to Lemmy, stay as far away from Lemmy as possible, and donate to another Fediverse project instead.

          I was wondering whether to stay quiet, but it seemed better to speak up and say something

          6/6

          Post 7

          Please don’t use Lemmy :( Human rights, oppression

          p.s. I put the wrong link for Amnesty, the Uyghur report is here:

          https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/asa17/4137/2021/ug/

          Post 8

          Please don’t use Lemmy :( Human rights, oppression

          p.p.s. Someone has pointed out that lemmy.ml (the official Lemmy instance) resolves to the same IP address as lemmygrad.ml (the instance that contains the most disturbing material).

          Lemmy.ml also federates with lemmygrad, and the devs advertise lemmygrad on their “join lemmy” site.

          Do the Lemmy developers themselves run the lemmygrad.ml site? (Its main logo is a tank, incidentally.)

          Post 9

          Please don’t use Lemmy :( Human rights, oppression

          p.p.p.s. There was an older “reddit for the Fediverse” project called Prismo which had some working instances at one point.

          Perhaps someone could resurrect it, to provide an alternative to Lemmy?

          https://gitlab.com/prismosuite/prismo