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    arguing that it’s not real consent if the only alternative is shelling out yet another monthly subscription fee

    Very true, and hopefully many other verdicts will follow, like "It’s not real consent if…this or that.

    This dark pattern has started to spread everywhere already.

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        I’m a big fan of TOSDR and recommend everyone check it out. It’s a site dedicated to translating TOS and EULA into English by attorneys working pro-bono. It’s amazing what you’ll find in some of those agreements.

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          I’m a big fan of TOSDR and recommend everyone check it out.

          I did not know this existed, thank you!

          You waive your moral rights

          Except to the extent that any such waiver is prohibited by law, you hereby waive the benefit of any provision of law known as “moral rights” or “droit moral” or any similar law in any country of the world.

          Wow, I didn’t even know it was possible to waive our moral rights, some heavy shit right there.

          And I had to lol when I saw it was coming from Blizzard of all places.

          Edit: It’s actually a different kind of morals, not in the general public sense (Right vs Wrong) definition that we all know.

          Still seems immoral though, controlling someone else’s work, as if it is your own, so thoroughly.

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            In context it means all user content submitted in the games is effectively fully owned by Blizzard, a copyright assignment clause (this differs from the typical “we get a perpetual license to what you submit to us”)

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              In context it means all user content submitted in the games is effectively fully owned by Blizzard, a copyright assignment clause (this differs from the typical “we get a perpetual license to what you submit to us”)

              I understand what you mean now by them saying you wave your moral rights as a matter of giving up your rights to any product you create.

              Still seems immoral of them to just grab your creations and claim it as their own, but “viva capitalism!” I guess.

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          I’m a big fan of TOSDR and recommend everyone check it out.

          Also, you really should make a separate post about this, to bring awareness more widely.

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            Go for it. I’m still pretty new to Lemmy. I don’t want it getting ignored because people think I’m a bot because of my new account. Lol

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        There’s a core tenet in EU consumer protection law that if clauses aren’t clear enough to understand by laymen, they can be challenged.

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      Curious how they expect this to work for people who aren’t even “paying” [with money or data] Meta users. Those people who never signed up for any of their services yet are still being tracked across websites via those social sharing buttons and the like. Are they supposed to pay Meta to not hoard their data from all the other websites, despite never setting foot on a Meta site?

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        Those people who never signed up for any of their services yet are still being tracked across websites via those social sharing buttons and the like

        It is plain illegal what META is doing there. They just haven’t been dragged to court so far.

        But with these buttons, the websites which includes them are offenders, too.

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    Please pull out of EU, it will be so much easier to convince more of my family to use signal.

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    Say one decides to pay…what guarantees do I get that my data won’t be used or that I won’t get targeted?