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cross-posted from: https://hilariouschaos.com/post/1077711
Edit: https://chapo.chat/ for the live action drama, sort by new posts.
Edit edit: https://chapo.chat/post/4468531
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quite vocal about how the world should be organized, but forgot to pay the domain dues
Remember kids, this is why you still need money. This is literally how the Soviet Union collapsed and why China today became a state capitalist.
I wonder if they tried to pay it with a signed note by their mother and a chuck-e-cheeze token with ‘payment in full’ scribbled across the note in red marker.
In a good internet, you shouldn’t have to pay someone else for your own identity.
You don’t have to pay anything to have your own identity.
If you want someone else’s servers to replicate a piece of information for you, and you want them to take responsibility for administrative issues like figuring out whether you still want it next year or what to do if you’re doing something illegal, you may have to pay anywhere from $5 a year to $30 a year for the privilege depending on a couple of factors. Given how massively inflated the price of registering a domain could be, if the type of ghouls who like to get their hands on things like this were able to get their hands on it, I’m inclined to call that success. About 99% of internet users will never need to know or care about DNS, and they can still have their identity without having to pay $30 a year.
I’m pretty sure the price of domains has actually been going down over time, and they’ve introduced a bunch of new TLDs and new types of entries in the records in response to pretty much the only significant problems that the 40-year-old system has ever had during its history. Like I said, I’d call that success.
If you want someone else’s servers to replicate a piece of information for you, and you want them to take responsibility for administrative issues like figuring out whether you still want it next year or what to do if you’re doing something illegal
I would like none of these services. I would simply like my domain name to be mapped to my server’s IP. I don’t want to have to pay a registrar, I would like to submit my domains to registers directly. There is a business layer of middle-men who do not need to exist.
There is a business layer of middle-men who do not need to exist.
ICANN is in the business of running the Internet, not fielding tech support calls from Jones’ BBQ and Foot Massage. I’m fine with this layer of separation. Hell, if it was one massive company controlling all the domains worldwide, wouldn’t that monopoly be an order of magnitude worse?
I don’t mean interacting directly with ICANN. I mean directly interacting with registries, like Verisign.
They control the .com top level domain. They do not interact with consumers, and require you to use a third-layer of registrars to interface with them.
ICANN shouldn’t get into the direct-to-consumer business, that is true and not the issue I am speaking about.
I don’t want to have to pay a registrar, I would like to submit my domains to registers directly. There is a business layer of middle-men who do not need to exist.
You’re in luck! You can do this! You can become your own registrar. Cut out the middle man! You only have to pay $4000/year to talk directly to ICANN.
I mean, it is kind of getting that way. The proliferation of some domains that are more expensive than others could potentially be a sign of the whole thing slowly collapsing into costing $10/month or maybe orders of magnitude more, if you are a big company with fat pockets that can be rummaged through, like everything else is nowadays. My point is that the price is $12 per year specifically because those forces have been kept at bay, at least partially, which means the system is an ever-more-incongruous-with-every-passing-year vestige of the decent way that the internet used to be. And also, yes, there’s an increasing cacophony of services which are trying to charge you more than it should cost, hoping that you’ll think $50/year is reasonable and just pay it not knowing any better.
If you think it is sustainable to be able to submit registrations completely for free, though, you are welcome to provide that service to the world under some subdomain, and do a vital service to remove the evil of which you speak. Just register dns.free or whatever, and set up a thing where people can register mysite.dns.free or whatever subdomain they want, and then they can all have it for free. You can be the change. I suspect that if you undertook this mission, it would quickly become apparent to you why the system as a whole still needs to charge a tiny nominal fee in exchange for doing it.
Running the central DNS servers is so cheap that it makes no sense to try to charge for it. Doing the administrative work of keeping track of hundreds of millions of people who all want to register some appellation for themselves, and keeping track of all the changes thereto, is significant, which is why that side of the operation wants to charge you a few bucks a year for it.
You don’t have to! You can run a DNS server out of your house and host any and all domain names you can think of!
Of course, nobody but you will use it, but it’s the principle of the thing, right?
Oh please. Principles are like asses: everyone’s got one, and everyone thinks it’s other peoples’s that stink.
Many things are worth nil on principle. It’s the execution that matters.
Tell me you have no idea how DNS works without saying you have no idea how DNS works.
DNS is neoliberalism incarnate 😂
DNS is the most neoliberal shit system that too many have just accepted as how computers work and always worked to the point where I have heard actual landlord arguments deployed to defend it
I like how a whole community of academics and researchers worked out how to run a system which, even into the modern day which is kind of amazing, is largely disconnected from being abused by government and industry, and just runs according to what the people who need to use the system need it to do. You can get extorted for a fancy domain name if you really want to, but you can also go to Hostinger and get one for $5/year or something, because a lot of the core of the system is still pretty well-protected from being a cash-grab, through application of good governance and cooperation.
And then, somehow Hexbear managed to find their way around that system and fucked things up for themselves, and now it’s all DNS’s fault that they stepped in a pile of doo doo.
Never forget the architects of the internet were some of the vilest US MIC and Silicon Valley ghouls who ever lived and they are still in control fundamentally no matter how much ICANN and IANA claim to be non-partison, neutral, non-political, accountable, democratic, international, stewardshipismists
Yes, John Postel and David Mills were some of the vilest ghouls and so on. There was nothing about them that could provide a good model for how to do effective cooperation and succeed outside the systems of ownership that defined computing and telecommunications at the time, no particular reason they succeeded so dramatically and gave you, ultimately, this space to post pig balls today, and nothing about their work and traditions that needs to be defended against any silicon valley ghouls in the modern day. You fucking dingbat. I started out sticking up for you guys because no one deserves to get victimized by DNS scammers, but I take it back, go fuck yourselves.
Could not happen to a nicer bunch.
Truly salt of the earth
What’s the story with this place?
Lemmy, in general, is left leaning with the lead dev and “main” instance being unabashedly tankies.
Hexbear is the big instance of people who are so fucked they tend to get banned even from there. The ml crowd is generally still worth talking to. Whereas the hexbear crowd immediately jump to harassment the moment they decide you failed a purity test because you advocated for a social program rather than insisting the entire system needs to be burned down and a managed economy run by putin put in its place.
Needless to say: Anyone who spends enough time “on lemmy” is either on an instance that banned hexbear or muted them themselves.
Appreciate the explanation. I’ve seen some remarks about the instance in passing, I’ve just never paid close enough attention to how communities have interacted with each other in the past.
I leave em, it’s fun to watch them go and post their stickers, it’s almost like twitch chat
When I accidentally interacted with one of their communities, it basically felt like a tankie 4chan. After that I just banned the entire instance.
cunts, tale as old as time
they were originally refugees from the reddit ban of r/chapotraphouse (which, while cringy, was not nearly as bad as r/the_donald that got banned in the same wave. but the reddit admins had a thing for being “fair and balanced”)
I’m not familiar with the first subreddit, what was that about?
Hex, .ml and grad are part of the Tankie Triad. Tankies are authoritarians and often hard to tell apart from far right nutjobs
Oh right. When I first heard about Lemmy, I tried to join .ml because it was the first instance I was made aware of. I think it was being rate limited at the time due to that whole reddit exodus thing, and I wasn’t able to get through, but. .world let me sign up so here I am.
I’d like to think that members of a given instance have their own opinions. It’s sad to hear about how territorial lemmy is.
It’s sad to hear about how territorial lemmy is.
Not really territorial, more… despises authoritarianism in all its forms lol.
While I’m sure there are plenty of non-tankie .ml users, the problem is with the admins and mods being the biggest Tankies around who enforce the “Tankie ideology” throughout.
Go checkout .ml memes, anything posted that’s Tankie-like will even sometimes get tons of downvotes as the post gets federated to non-Tankie instances but never removed.
Conversely, anything posted that’s even slightly critical of China/Russia is quickly removed under the catch-all “Rule 1 bigotry” (You’ll have to check the modlog for that)
It was by the largest (by a fair margin) socialist-aligned subreddit, but in practice it was like 60% shitposts. Was originally associated with the eponymous podcast, but the hosts have repeatedly said they disliked it.
Ah right. Appreciate the info!
The common clay of the fediverse.
No way, after all that posting hexbear is defeated by capitalism???
Nah. Socialists can charge for services.
It was defeated by an admin being so done with their shit he couldn’t be bothered lol.
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Actually. No. Wait a fucking minute.
This admin went spotty on contact like 3 months ago, right?
In November? And then he both didn’t want to give up control, but also didn’t want to pay a small amount of money. Like maybe he got what he wanted from the community and pulled the plug? Because it was never about the community.
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Blaming capitalism for domain names being a nightmare is hilarious, they are insanely cheap its 12$ a year for a .com, that is all, lol.
This is just straight up bad planning, they said they have jobs and lives like bro you turn on autorenew you put money in the card, any local business has no issues holding their domain for a decade lol, how do you just not make having it with the person hosting the site a priority.
The admins made a rookie mistake: they believed someone on the Internet.
“I’ll do it tomorrow” means fucking never. Nah, bitch, do it TODAY.
Not rlly there is a biding ongoing on hexbear.net namedomaine, the highest offer right now is 700 $
They literally didnt pay their under 20$ a year fee for renewal, its their own fault for not having the domain be with the same person managing hosting, it’s like amateur stuff to at least have them be an authorized user.
They were in contact with the dude who owns it a few times, wouldve taken minutes to add them as authorized users
2347$ now
ugh its back
They don’t care, mission was accomplished in November of last year.
They were established 4+ years ago just to cause the dnc to lose an election in 2024?
Yes, are you unaware of how Russian propaganda works?
I do but that’s quite the stretch when they’re usually going for right wing propagandists
What I see from hexbear trolls is an attempt to usurp leftism and turn it into something very weird. They came hard for Biden and Kamala, but don’t really say anything negative about Trump. They talk about “libs” as though the word hasn’t changed which group it refers to over the course of the last century.
It is quite clear to me that they do this to advance Russian interests and global fascism. They will, of course, deny it, but they are simply manipulators.
They constantly shit on trump.
Now I wonder what you think leftism is
Old Soviet/Russian doctrine is to always play both (or all) sides of a conflict
There are definitely far left groups, primarily in Europe, that ally with Russia. All groups on the fringes have proven useful for spreading pro-Russian propaganda. In the US, Trump’s pro-Russian sympathies and general stupifaction of the GOP has led to the GOP becoming an ally to the Kremlin. But prior to that, both parties were anti-Russia with Republicans being moreso.
They were established 4+ years ago just to cause the dnc to lose an election in 2024?
The DNC did not lose. We are the losers. You and me will feel the impact way more than well to do politicians.
And they’re certainly showing that by their reaction to the election and people asking them to do anything
I bid seventy cents, two peanut shells, and a cancelled postage stamp.
Wait, postage stamps can be cancelled?
That stamp knows what it did.
The postage stamp asked strangers to lick its behind!
Tired: Lenin’s on sale again
Wired: Hexbear is a shitcoin
It’s (un)amusing how the Fediverse of all things still depends on a system of identity that relies on forcing trust on a third party that can take that identity from you at any point and without recourse (within that system). Or, you know, you can “forget to drink your internet identity verification can for the commercial god”, which is just as (un)funny.
Digital trust is a really complicated thing. DNS sure beats most of the alternative I can think of.
What’s a hex bear?
Hexbear, along with .ml and grad, are Tankie instances. Known as the Tankie Triad (well soon to be Tankie Dyad anyways lol)
An unhealthy Lemmy obsession.
Just block it and get on with your life.
A far-left Lemmy instance, one of the so-called “Tankie Triad” (along with lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml). Compared to other instances of the Triad, focuses more on inclusivity and minority rights.
As with all instances of the Triad, Hexbear is commonly hated on other instances due to conflicts stemming from the difference of political perspectives with the majority of people on other instances.
They’re not “far-left” they’re authoritarian “communists” and by “difference of political perspectives” you mean denial of human rights abuses and suppression of freedom by authoritarian regimes (even denying they are authoritarian regimes) like China or even that Russia was totally justified attacking a country unprovoked.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof. More specifically, the term has been applied to those who express support for one-party Marxist–Leninist socialist republics, whether contemporary or historical. It is commonly used by anti-authoritarian leftists, including anarchists, libertarian socialists, left communists, democratic socialists, and reformists to criticise Leninism, although the term has seen increasing use by liberal and right‐wing factions as well.
A bear made of hexagons
Well yea but what is it in this specific context? I have no idea what this is
Pedobear with extra steps
That doesn’t really clear anything up, tbh, I don’t know what this is or why I care about their domain expiring this post did nothing to explain that
That’s not what you asked
But you lied about their damage anyways so who cares what he asked if you’re not going to actually answer?
What?
Did I stutter, or are you just not used to getting pushback on describing all your enemies as pedos?
Sorry im not able to decifer your code
But you lied about their damage anyways so who cares what he asked if you’re not going to actually answer?
What am I supposed to do with that nonsense?
A bear made of hexagons
Communists (internet troll-ish)
As opposed to Communists (just-- communists) from lemmy.ml and Communists (Spicy Communists) from lemmygrad.ml
None of them are communists, they’re Tankies, tankies = authoritarians
I think saying Tankies aren’t Communists is a bit like saying Sword Art Online isn’t an anime.
Just because they suck doesn’t remove them from the category. In fact acknowledging the sucky parts of a <thing> is part of being grown up about that thing.
Communism is stateless and classless. How are STATES with authoritarian unanswerable leaders/classes in any way communist?
On the unlikely chance that the question isn’t rhetodical, I’d suggest Michael Parenti’s Blackshirts and Reds.
So this is a man-in-the-middle attack waiting to happen isn’t it? Buy the domain, setup a reverse proxy that points to the original hexbear server IP and start logging all requests.
Probably. In all honestly, if you are a hexbear user, I’d be keeping a careful eye on who owns the domain when it magically pops back up.
And here I was complaining about cheeseburger.social going down. Our user count was well into the dozens. Dozens!
Oh it couldn’t have happened to a better bunch! 😈
So… who’s outbidding them? Someone from tankiejerk? Or are their being taken over by lemmygrad, to be introduced to Socialism with Dessaline characteristics?
Or are their being taken over by lemmygrad, to be introduced to Socialism with Dessaline characteristics?
What‽ LMAO grad, .ml are Tankie instances just the same and Dess is a huge Tankie lolol
Lemmygrad and tankies in general have military discipline while hexbear is a vibes-based mob. Authoritarians vs. virtue signallers, one taking over the other would mean popcorn for years.
Yeah I can see that, that would also explain how .ml can maintain… subtlety…to avoid a larger call for defederation from them.
However, saying “to be introduced to Socialism with Dessaline characteristics?” Is rather disingenuous, Tankies with restraint and discipline are still Tankies
Socialism with Dessaline characteristics is, to the best of my knowledge, the ideology of lemmygrad. You know, abolish slavery and then run plantations with forced labour is a very tankie thing to do. I’m sure both Dessalines, the emperor and the lemmy dev one, can explain to you how those two are completely different things.
Wow, what a character to base your username off of and presumably looks up to?..
In any case, Tankies hate socialism, they see it as nothing but trying to “make capitalism work with regulation” and they strive for abolishment of capitalism entirely.
Which, I’m not against, but they want to abolish and then replace it with an authoritarianism-based regime instead that looks something like what China has, which is just replacing a bad thing with something as equally as bad or worse.
In any case, Tankies hate socialism, they see it as nothing but trying to “make capitalism work with regulation” and they strive for abolishment of capitalism entirely.
I think you are confusing “socialism” with “capitalism with social safety nets.”
Socialism is the abolition of private ownership of the means of production, and private ownership of the means of production is what capitalism is. All versions of socialism are anti-capitalist, including communism.
You don’t even have a Wikipedia-level understanding of capitalism, socialism, or communism. Have you even read the first few paragraphs of the Wiki entries for the concepts you pretend to be knowledgeable of?
A) if you had read my comment closely, you would have seen I said "What they SEE it as. Not what it is
B) Socialism does not require the abolishment of capitalism and most working examples of it, such as in EU countries, works alongside capitalism. This is the version most people think when they reference socialism and that’s what’s relevant to the discussion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
Socialism is an economic and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership. It describes the economic, political, and social theories and movements associated with the implementation of such systems. Social ownership can take various forms, including public, community, collective, cooperative, or employee. As one of the main ideologies on the political spectrum, socialism is the standard left-wing ideology in most countries. Types of socialism vary based on the role of markets and planning in resource allocation, and the structure of management in organizations.
Socialist systems divide into non-market and market forms. A non-market socialist system seeks to eliminate the perceived inefficiencies, irrationalities, unpredictability, and crises that socialists traditionally associate with capital accumulation and the profit system. Market socialism retains the use of monetary prices, factor markets and sometimes the profit motive. As a political force, socialist parties and ideas exercise varying degrees of power and influence, heading national governments in several countries. Socialist politics have been internationalist and nationalist; organised through political parties and opposed to party politics; at times overlapping with trade unions and other times independent and critical of them, and present in industrialised and developing nations. Social democracy originated within the socialist movement, supporting economic and social interventions to promote social justice. While retaining socialism as a long-term goal, in the post-war period social democracy embraced a mixed economy based on Keynesianism within a predominantly developed capitalist market economy and liberal democratic polity that expands state intervention to include income redistribution, regulation, and a welfare state.
China is calling the state capitalism they have there “Socialism with Chinese characteristics”. Hence “with Dessalines characteristics”.
Ah, I get you now lol
Hard to say, we’ll have to wait and see who gets it.
I personally think there’s no point for them to try and get it back, they’ll most likely come back under a different domain.
