Well I think we’re gonna see another influx
Can confirm. That’s why im here. Figured I’d just jump earlier with the whole avoiding US companies vibe too.
Yea, I’m one.
one of us one of us
Yep, hi, here am I. Usually I think news like these are fearmongering for clickbait, like those old “Facebook is going to be paiiidd!” (As if “being free” wasn’t at the very core of its appeal and selling point) but reading the room this day and age I don’t think I’d be that surprise if a change like that did happen to Reddit. The only good think about this shitstorm of an age is that it made me find the fediverse and I will never forgive myself for not caring enough to find it earlier.
a few days ago i saw how r/redditalternatives has only “lemmy bad!” posts and i know for a fact folks here have been spreading the word about lemmy in a positive way so don’t blame yourself, reddit has been actively censoring any good thing said about lemmy or the fediverse in general
i looked marginally deeper into this and it’s apparently all the way to shadow bans :) link
seems like its posted around the same time reddit started banning people in large numbers.
Oh, so that’s why I saw some post about reddit alternatives and the person replying had to mask lemmy. Oh wow.
Same, just got fed up about all this bullshit and degoogled every device in my life, as time passes we get more and more exploited by these giant companies.
Seems like a bad time to be introducing such a thing in the immediate future when European users are already seeking out alternatives to US tech giants and US users are losing their jobs and facing rising grocery prices.
Each time I visit a reddit link and see the word “Deleted” in OPs post, my heart fills with joy.
I deleted my history on reddit (10+ years) and am moving over here. Still figuring out how to find the communities I want but I’ll get it.
Wait REQUIRING?
so if a sub gets popular enough they can just say “pay wall.”
i think they will have a youtube/patreon type thing going on, free content on youtube, while thier patreon gets"exclusive content"
Let me guess. These will be the AI-content subreddits, right?
Nope, the NSFW and OF ones.
They’re trying to direct creators to stay on Reddit instead of just using it for an advertising platform
No one said he was a rocket surgeon.
To be honest, this is actually a genius move when it comes to NSFW content.
Almost every pornographic sub has already been astroturfed by e-girls plugging their OnlyFans and Fansly links. Giving them the ability to paywall their content directly on Reddit effectively cuts out the middle-man and allows Reddit to undercut the likes of OF and Fansly with lower transaction fees.
there’s no way to monetize lemmy, right?
just making sure i’m on the right liferaft…
Maybe yes, but realistically no. It’s open source, so anyone could make their own clone of it with whatever monetization methods they want. If you ran an instance, you could also charge people to post on it. That said, with the way Lemmy is organized, people would just leave the offending instance for a different one.
Reddit’s mechanics are not the whole story about why it became the juggernaut it is, the platform of people making their own forums isn’t new. What happened was a few major sites like Digg, Somethingawful, Fark, 4chan and a lot of old-school staples on the internet from the 90’s on through the 2010’s suddenly lost popularity as their user base matured at the same time reddit moved in. There were other factors, sure I was around during it all but it’s all quite complicated, but I’m pretty sure if reddit broadly started returning 404’s tomorrow, Lemmy would see a slight jump in users but people are just going to want the next new thing and it would be some entirely new thing that captures the world’s online browsing.
I’ve never seen a website replace another by copying it’s layout and mechanics. I’ve seen a lot of popular platforms die, but never resurrect in the same form, people always want something novel and they want to feel like they’re getting in ground-floor on something special. Reddit still offers that by giving users a chance to contribute early to conversations about current events, but if there were a new system that gave people a similar system and found some other way to give users a little serotonin boost like the votes do, then it would slay reddit pretty handedly.
there’s probably a way to monetise everything but with the numbers of Linux people (yes we know you use arch shush) and anti-capitalists, i think we’re safe?
This site isn’t going to get popular enough to worry about. It’s large, sure, but people go to reddit because the sheer volume of users means your chances of catching breaking stories or real contributions by witnesses to events, is just much higher, there’s more of everything, and this is why they want to bleed it dry.
Just don’t get too attached, Reddit was Digg’s liferaft… Once Thing go to shit, move on.
That would probably depend on the instance creators. Donations are paying the way so far, but maybe someone will test out an instance with a registration fee or something. I don’t see that working out unless every other instance is in dire straits and super unstable because they’re running out of money.
Welcome to Lemmy former redditors
Thanks. I just switched - apparently just in time!
Me too friend!!
The only subreddit you need is
r/redditseppuku
Yeah I signed in for the first time in like a year right after seeing this lol
Thanks, I love you too.
I’m having a good time with my popcorn!
Yes let’s put a site that consists pretty much entirely of user-created content behind a paywall, what could possibly go wrong?
Well, Spez is a special kind of stupid.
I think people who are content with Reddit being the way it is deserve someone like Spez.
The users still on reddit are even dumber than him
digg v5 just dropped
Quora did it. I don’t go there anymore.
was Quora ever good? I joined the internet in like 2019 and it’s always been garbage to me, did I miss its golden age?
Anecdotally, I remember using it for answers to things about probably business, government, and certain how-to’s. I also remember when the pop-over banner started covering up half the answers and that’s around the time I stopped.
Here’s a post discussing quora from Dec 2018.
all philosophical views aside, there are some really core issues that got me to stop using Quora and unfortunately the case to stop using it is made by the site itself:
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The content quality has deteriorated significantly since the site’s inception. The content is far cheaper than before and far less interesting in very obvious ways.
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Moderation systems have not done a good job of growing the site as a community. The site has lost the character that drew many people to it in the first place.
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The machine learning models terribly over-fit to user signals, creating a frustrating experience.
These 3 core issues with the site are what got me to gradually stop using it as someone who was initially an early adopter.
thank you for the explainer, this is very interesting. seems reddit is following along this path lol
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Once upon a time, Quora was okay, before they started paying people to generate a bunch of yahoo answers questions / AI slop questions, and then fucked with the UI and made their site into a virtually unusable mess.
i’m getting reddit vibes, that makes sense. classic enshittification
Don’t lie. When 70% of your search results are Quora, you are going to click, you are going to encounter the login banner, you are going to rage, and you are going to click away.
Nope, those “answers” didn’t help even once, so now they’re filtered out of search results, and DNS banned. Quora does not appear on my devices.
I’ve had some help from Quora, but overall I feel it wastes my time a lot more than not. And I’ve never had an instance where only Quora had the answer.
This why it pays to use a search engine that lets you blocklist sites
So like Google 15 years ago when it was still kind of not shit?
Any recommendations?
Or use the ublocklist extension, this puts a button besides all search results to perma ban that domain and allows URL lists like this for automatic garbage removal.
At the risk of sounding like a shill, I like Kagi.
Even when the login banner doesn’t appear, lately all the answers are “Hm, it appears that you are trying to do [question title]. To do [question title], [basic bitch advice]. Hope this helps!” Style AI slop.
When it isn’t the built-in AI helper doing it, it’s the users blatantly copying from different chatbots
Isn’t it mostly bot-generated content?
How the hell would I know?
holy shit what is this from, i swear i saw this 20 years ago. what is it, george of the jungle??
Yep.
damn i nailed it!
It’s a classic. :)
Guys, Gals, my non-binary pals.
I hope you understand the assignment.
i usually suck at homework but i think i might understand this assignment :3
It’ll be the porn they charge for.
They know only wankers will give them money.
What’s funny about that is Reddit is mostly just an advertising front for onlyfans at this point
I mean yeah, and that’s the piece of the pie they want. It will start with letting content creators charge and probably end by some ban or disincentive on direct only fans links.
Based
Reddit has cracked down on many porn subreddits in the last few years. Most porn on reddit is now just ads for onlyfans.
First they came for the porn subreddits, but I didn’t say anything because I was not a porn subreddit.
There isn’t really any porn left on reddit, it’s pretty much just OnlyFans ads now.
Well, that’s the death of the free* forum. Went from BBS to newsgroups to phpBB to Reddit, each soft-killing its predecessor. But like WalMart killing Main Street, Reddit is going to kill the free forum.
Thank goodness for Lemmy and other free* social network software.
*free with the asterisk because we know it’s not free, we are enjoying the service that others volunteer to pay for.
Lemmy will need ads to support individual servers, eventually, when they’re not attached to another org (like a server CNN would run for just outgoing news dissemination). The rest of them, with bills and needing to eat, may need to go to ads.
I support proper ads that do not get priority placement and aren’t in-your-face.
I support prioritization of profile migration so we can vote with our feet if a particular server’s ad volume and content offends our sensibilities.
But I’m just saying I fully expect some ads are gonna happen, and I hope we can prevent full enshittification when that happens.
No, it will never have ads. If the devs put ads in, it will get forked. If server admins put in ads, they will be defederated. That’s nonnegotiable if you want a free (as in libre) fediverse.
Mastodon is way bigger than Lemmy and it doesn’t need ads. Donations and subscriptions (for severs that choose that path) are enough.
I don’t want it to have ads either but bandwidth is not free and someone somewhere is paying for it.
Is the donations don’t cover the bills there are few options.
I really enjoyed the Reddit gold model. I paid them $30/year for many years because I got so much out of the site that I felt they deserved it. Their monetization was pretty innocuous.
Then the enshittification happened.
Is the donations don’t cover the bills there are few options.
They usually do. When we opened for donations, we pretty much hit our goals within days and our donations currently exceed our expenses without having to do donation drives. @Blaze@feddit.org had a thread where Lemmy Admins discussed their costs and a lot are already fully funded.
We run one of then largest lemmy server. We’re fully donation-funded. Lemmy.world is also the largest, also donation funded.
It’s not free, but it’s pretty cheap. When you don’t have to have massive marketing departments, huge management bonuses, expensive office space, crappy proprietary software, and massively scaled highly available platforms it costs a lot less to run a social media platform. Donations can often cover it all.
If one server gets too big, they can just cap registrations and people move to a different server.
At some point they are going to need lawyers, and more expensive anti-spam.
Good point. Way less staff to keep this service running as long as growth is not a priority like it is with most companies.
And there’s a scaling problem, right? Like, the bigger the federation is, the more traffic each instance gets.
Maybe large institutions (universities, some governments, some companies, and so on) can each host their own instance. It would be a drop in their existing hosting costs.
You’re getting very close to describing how Usenet works.
Heh, is that a bad thing? I think not.
