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Goddamn. What in the fuck is this timeline even. Now we need a THIRD secured device to secure comms between a remote server to stop MITM shit for fucks sake. Time to go deeper I guess.
Surveillance is bad, but in other parts of the world people die in wars and get killed with families for their ethnicity and\or religion, with punishing the perpetrators not even being attempted.
I’d say these tendencies in the (power-wise) center of the world are the reason for more violence on the rim, though.
So in my opinion this is generally one and the same battle.
This abstraction sucks. Every abstraction justifying shitty behavior should be scrutinized out of existence.
Such an idiotic comment really.
I’m saying this whole phenomenon hits you and your part of the world less than any other.
I said that in a more subtle way, because I never expect people who fail at reading to blame that on me.
In a very confusing way you are saying surveillance is justified because in other parts of the world people are not protected by their country’s justice system. So it’s better to be overly surveiled than nothing at all.
Which I fundamentally disagree with and am equally upset about either circumstance.
Especially when the people doing the surveillance operate outside the confinement of the justice system. See BLM.
Ah. No, I’m against any surveillance. At the same time I’m for all the transparency of government one can have.
It’s basically about how hierarchical the society is.
A lot of clueless people want power structures to have their secrets, while citizens can be surveilled, cause it’s to some good end (/s).
The more hierarchical it is, the more corruption and abuse of power there are, and make no mistake - people making it more hierarchical aim for that only and not for some noble goal.
I’m just saying that this same tendency which inconveniences people in the West with surveillance and legally dubious harassment, simply kills people elsewhere in droves.
Again, the people who are doing the surveillance have the means to kill people extrajudiciously. This just allows them to bring the surveillance they are already doing into the court room.
WDYM “again”? What are you arguing against?
Everyone hates Rand Paul but he voted no on this, as did others on the left and the right. Fuck fascism and fuck left authoritarianism.
Neoliberals are conservatives. Always have been. By all international standards, the Democrat party is a conservative party and the Republicans are a more conservative party. We don’t currently have a viable left/progressive party.
The entirety of the left-of-center in the US is a handfull of progressives, at most.
By international standards Biden is hard-right, Trump is far-right.
This shit is full-on rightwing authoritarianism.
there are no left authoritarians in office.
liberals are not leftists. haven’t been since 1848.
Any liberal who supports disarming civilians is a left authoritarian.
I disagree, why do you insist on associating libs with the left? (yeah disarming people is faschy)
Only the fringe lunatics think it’s even possible to disarm a population. Far lefties like myself realize the power that small arms represent in the fight against fascism. Marx said to arm up.
fuck that dude about so much, but yeah, he wasnt wrong about everything.
that means anti armor and anti drone weapons, too!
Dunno why 1848, but those students on the streets of Vienna whom “dear father field marshal” Radetzky hanged on many lanterns were not leftist. They were pretty republican-nationalist, right liberal that is.
are you… are you defending the original incident that lead to the term ‘tankie’? impressive.
I don’t get your thought process. The original incidents were Soviet interventions in Hungary and Czechoslovakia.
sorry when I hear about a name from that language family I I st assume. I ignore most soviet history and as much american history as I can because its stupid and can be summarized ‘and then they figured out how to make even worse decisions! hooray!’
Lmao when Democrats do a bad thing it’s left authoritarianism lol
And yet I still hate Rand Paul.
Hitler loved dogs.
It’s very funny that the workable compromise between “this is important for national security” and “this infringes on basic liberty” is “maybe we just do it for 2 years and see how we feel after that.”
It’s always permanent. The short time period is just for the sake of getting it voted in.
That’s how I got my first girlfriend.
Can’t wait for people to tell me how this is actually a great thing and we need to cheer for this…
Well…Trump didn’t sign it…It must be good right?
don’t be stupid.
yeah, see, you have to vote for Joe biden or you might get fascism. can’t have that uncertainty of a third party fluke candidate winning.
You think the government would ever get rid of powers like these? Of course not!
Joe Biden, while loading a very large gun: “It would be terrible if Donald Trump ever got his hands on this.”
Donald Trump, having loaded that same gun 4 years ago: “We have to retake the White House from this far-left communist maniac, because he’s going to use that very large gun against White People!”
What a fucking racket.
People think about Red vs. Blue, but the world is ruled by Purple.
Spying on the American people is a bipartisan issue.
If you want to change that, you’ll need more than votes.
There’s an exception to the rule that prohibits spying on religious groups.
Who wants to start an anti-surveillance religion?
I don’t think that’ll save you.
https://peoplesworld.org/article/hearings-lawsuit-slam-bush-spying-defense/
NBC News obtained a secret 400-page Pentagon document that listed the Truth Project as a “credible threat” to national security. The Pentagon sent an agent to spy on the group’s first meeting at the Quaker Meeting House in Lake Worth in 2004, one of almost four dozen similar meetings nationwide infiltrated on Bush-Cheney orders.
The report revealed that the Defense Department spy operation kept tabs on 1,500 “suspicious incidents” such as distribution of antiwar leaflets at high schools, peace vigils and town hall meetings.
Eight people are active in the Truth Project, Hersh said, including Quakers, a 79-year-old grandmother and Hersh himself, partially disabled by a nerve disease that often confines him to a wheelchair.
Hersh added with a chuckle, “Yes, I guess we are a ‘credible threat.’ The truth is always a threat to those who are lying. We are always a threat to illegitimate and unjust powers.”
Something like the Tuareg idea of Islam, where you are obligated to kill anyone who eavesdropped on you?
Oh yeah
So it seems that there are indeed issues where “both sides” agree.
From the outsider perspective those aren’t sides but teams going to the same goal with slightly different tactics.
The worst legislation that gets passed is typically the bill every Congressman agrees on. If you didn’t have to fight through six committees and an extended filibuster, you can assume it must have been a Christmas Tree of kickbacks and crimes.
How is this even constitutional. Does the 4th amendment even exist?
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Non-sensationalized summary from the article:
Although Section 702 authorizes electronic surveillance of non-US people overseas, the official summary of the reauthorization bill notes that "information about US persons may incidentally be acquired by this type of surveillance and subsequently searched or ‘queried’ under certain circumstances.”
The reauthorization bill imposes some new limits on data collection. For example, FBI personnel must obtain prior approval from an FBI supervisor or attorney before making queries about US people. But this provision has an exception allowing such queries without prior approval if “the query could assist in mitigating or eliminating a threat to life or serious bodily harm.”
There are also some new limits on queries involving elected US officials, political candidates, political organizations, media organizations, journalists, and religious groups. There is a prohibition on “the involvement of political appointees in the approval process for such politically sensitive query requests,” and a requirement that the FBI director "establish consequences for noncompliant querying of US person terms, including zero tolerance for willful misconduct.”
Zero tolerance you say?
the FBI had a 96% compliance rate for FISA queries, a 14% improvement from OIA’s first baseline audit
Can’t wait for those 4% of queries to be prosecuted. I hope we can get better though. I only want 2% of what the FBI requests to be illegal.
“this is why it’s good” meme
the land of the safe ☺️
And the free of the brave 🫡
You don’t have to take your shoes off at the airport anymore if you’re willing to tell the government a bunch of stuff about you though!
APAB. Fucking bullshit!
Well at least my rep was trying to fight against that shit.
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