• Thorry84@feddit.nl
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    Is this an American thing? We did absolutely not have to memorize any of that thing. We had to understand the structure, why the rows and columns etc. But memorizing it serves no purpose.

    With every class including tests and exams we were allowed to use a reference book. This book was pretty thick and contained a whole lot of info including the periodic table and all the info about elements you could ever need.

    I think my education (keep in mind this was 25 years ago) was focused more on the why and less on the what. If you understand why something is the way it is, the reason behind it and how to use it, you know a lot more than just being a flesh book that can list a bunch of facts.

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      It’s easier to verify rote memorization than actual understanding so naturally shitty schools focus on the former at the expense of the latter. Most American schools are shitty by academic standards.

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        You’re not kidding. Public school in the city.

        There were so many dumb things I had to memorize. Periodic table. Solar system moon and planets. Multiplication table.

        Even worse is the people who see memory as intelligence because of that BS. I remember working at a office and the boss made Steve, the guy who knew 15 digits of Pi, his right hand man. Steve is currently still working there. Congrats Steve your superior memory apparently can’t get you out of your deadend job.

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          If you haven’t already, you should watch Mystery Team specifically for the character of Duncan “Boy Genius” who absolutely fits this characterization to a T.

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        While it is true that rote memorization is a terrible thing for schools to focus on, I find it interesting that the discussion immediately jumped to “America bad” with a presumption it was a unique American practice. The many comments from around the world show it seems to be a more widespread practice.

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          It’s American Exceptionalism at work. Unlike the rest of the world, we have no healthcare, we use Fahrenheit, and we put on our pants one leg at a time.

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      3 months ago

      Czech here, also had to memorize it. But our school system here is 90% just memorizing shit, it’s a fucking joke.

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      3 months ago

      In Lithuania we literally have the whole periodic table on the wall in every chemistry class I have ever been to.

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        3 months ago

        Same in Hungary

        And we have a book that you can use at every chemistry, biology, math and physics exam with a lot a formulas, glyph explenations, periodic table, material properties etc…

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      My school was barely 15 years ago, but we also had a thin book handed out to us in 7th grade or so that contained charts and references for pretty much everything in a very condensed form. Periodic tables, formulas for math and physics, chemical and physical attributes for a bunch of materials, … And the entire ASCII table for some reason.

      That was in Germany during the 00s and I still have that book, and three or four copies I stole over time.

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      Memorizing the periodic table is probably the high-school assignment I’m most angry about to this day.

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            I had to look up what the summoner’s tale was. I can say this from memory.

            "Whan that Aprille with his shoures soote,

            The droghte of March hath perced to the roote,

            And bathed every veyne in swich licóur

            Of which vertú engendred is the flour;

            Whan Zephirus eek with his swete breeth

            Inspired hath in every holt and heeth

            The tendre croppes, and the yonge sonne

            Hath in the Ram his halfe cours y-ronne,

            And smale foweles maken melodye,

            That slepen al the nyght with open ye,

            So priketh hem Natúre in hir corages,

            Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages,

            And palmeres for to seken straunge strondes,

            To ferne halwes, kowthe in sondry londes;

            And specially, from every shires ende

            Of Engelond, to Caunterbury they wende,

            The hooly blisful martir for to seke,

            That hem hath holpen whan that they were seeke."

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      In America, we didn’t have to truley memorize it. For tests we had a reference packet that included the table.

      That being said we did have to memorize a few major ones.

      Its also important to recognize education is a state by state thing, not federal. The curriculum in Texas can be different than the one in Florida. Even teacher to teacher, I could see one class having to memorize it while the one next door doesn’t.

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      We were expected to memorize it, yes, along with the properties of each column and generally what went where.

      But that was like the first part of chem, and after that test we had the table up on the front wall.

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      American here - we didn’t have to memorize it. All we had to do was know the groupings (Noble gas, metalloids, etc)

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      You were lucky. Many education systems around the world still use memorization instead of comprehension as a measurement of learning.

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      It’s a thing with some teachers in some places. The quality of education in the US is hugely variable, because standards and curriculum are largely left up to local school systems with widely different funding and priorities.

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      I had to memorize it in university. And I didn’t even study chemistry, but “engineering science”. As a matter of fact: I actually always disliked chemistry.

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      Brazil here, we had to, me and my friends even made some vulgar funny songs (to teenagers at least) to help memorize it, I had a pretty bad chem teacher.