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“It is unambiguous clear that our message is toxic and the majority of people reject our ideology and us with it. Therefore, the most logical solution is to create an artificial narrative via manipulation and vote-buying that makes it appear that people like us.” -these people probably
Well, it worked with the news.
Capitalism™
Or… I run a reddit botnet, and Christmas is coming up. What’s the easiest group of rubes to fleece?
probably the group that follows repub politics
That’s what they’ve been doing for decades. And unfortunately they’ve been very successful at it.
“Our opinions are wildly unpopular to the point where even if a bunch of us showed up we’d struggle to make a difference so we’re gunna need to buy upvotes!”
Like…c’mon.
Have you seen the content there?
Yeah they’re gonna need lots of money to get any attention
Fuckin’ yikes.
Dumb enough to fall for a Facebook lie about Tim Walz, but smart enough to use a crappy image editor?
No, the Russians already provided the image with the lie
I love the conservatives think that’s such cutting slander when really having a male politician who understands the need for feminine hygiene products by uterus havers everywhere is such a breath of fresh air
The right may not have good ideas, organizational skills, charm, ethics, understanding of economics, history, or politics, or strength in numbers, but they do have the one thing more important than all of these.
Money!
I’d argue they do have organizational skills and and strength in numbers. Don’t underestimate that.
You don’t get and keep money without some of these skills though.
This is what they do in real life too though. They know the US is mostly liberal (based on the popular vote) so they have to abuse money and historical power to manipulate the votes into their favor.
Why do I have a feeling this person has a vested financial interest in one of those upvote buying farms.
Who grifts the griftmen?
Hey, remember what happened to Digg? Why a bunch of people moved over to Reddit in the first place?
I guess not a lot of people remember, so let me tell you.
Bunch of dipshits ran upvote brigades. Stories they didn’t like got buried really fast.
Now, Digg was a hive mind site to begin with - good luck posting anything the hive mind didn’t care about. But add blatant political machinations on top of that, and the site got unusable real fast.
Take a few guesses which political views those groups were trying to futilely promote while quashing opponents. Go on. (I’ll give a hint, some of them retreated to Conservapedia)
So that’s what killed Digg. …that, and the Digg admins were being dicks and the site redesign sucked ass. (…insert comparison to modern Reddit here)
Those who don’t learn history are doomed to repeat it. Thanks for the quick lesson
But conservatives want to repeat history.
Just not the good parts.
I don’t remember Digg being infiltrated by right wing conservatives. What I do remember was a website with a community that dickrode its power users so hard that unless you were a figure like MrBabyMan, your content would not get a single vote. The only people who actually used Digg’s social features (i.e. Friends lists) were blog spammers.
IIRC Digg v4 tried to address the issue by making users subscribe directly to news websites and dedicated content creators. They hated it and flocked immediately to their competitor.
Reddit has the same power user problem, albeit 1000x worse. Say what you want about the people who gamed Digg’s front-page, but they didn’t have the power to be judge, jury and executioner when moderating communities.
That’s only part of what killed Digg. The final nail in the coffin was when they redesigned the website to give power users even more power to control the front page than they already had.
Yep, as I tried to hint in the last paragraph. 😆
Digg’s biggest sin was that the votes were all that mattered, and the admins just leaned into that by coddling the power users. That’s why Digg got so toxic to random people who just wanted to share something cool they found. The last redesign just made it official that there are those whose votes matter and the unwashed plebs. Everyone already knew people were fucking with the votes, and the admins just said “go right ahead”.
So what Reddit offered was at least some assurance that the algorithm would combat blatant vote manipulation by power blocs and that people could share cool stuff fairly. Digg users promptly voted with their feet.
Now, to Reddit’s credit, the system worked for years. Admins absolutely condemned vote manipulation and actively fought it. People were actively against all sorts of vote brigading, and the admins listened.
Problem is, it all changed. Corporate media influencing came in, under radar. Political memefluencers came in, under radar. It’s all allowed unless it’s blatantly against policy and everyone pretends it’s just organic random users.
Now, you don’t see the Reddit admins talking about what made the site work so well back in the day. I’m not sure they’re interested in maintaining the anti-brigading and anti-manipulation algorithms. They’re this close to saying “fuck it, it’s a free-for-all” and going full Digg publicly.
That’s not what happened at all imho.
What killed digg realistically is that it had less control than Reddit and because Kevin Rose blocked posts about the DVD encryption codes and people over reacted to that block. For days digg was full of people simply reposting them (as Digg was worried about getting sued which was fair enough)
Didn’t really have anything to do with politics.
Don’t forget, this was back in the day of fat people hate and Reddit hosting child porn. Reddit administration was never great
Digg admins were actually ok and I never had an issue with them
Don’t forget, this was back in the day of fat people hate and Reddit hosting child porn. Reddit administration was never great
Reddit in the earliest days was basically 4chan but less controlled and more spread-out. There were thousands of illegal and horrifyingly abusive subreddits. Every single time one got taken down, it was this massive, whinging drama show from thousands of chuds screaming about their “rights” and “censorship.”
By the time admins came for the less overtly evil ones, like the weirdly prevalent communities dedicated to fantasizing about punching particular people in the face, reddit had very much become the WalMart of the internet. Not the cleanest or nicest place to visit, but it certainly had everything and was convenient if you needed a fix at odd hours.
I don’t even remember Digg but I remember it seemed relatively short-lived in the early days of the explosion of forum sites. A lot of people were trying to strike gold with the next big thing as internet popularity was soaring. There are likely hundreds of other big sites like Digg that people used to frequent that have also since died in the mass-extinction events of the 2010’s and beyond.
Subvert the will and desires of the majority using money and shitty practices…how very GOP of them.
Subvert the will and desires of the majority
Come on, dude. This is Reddit, not a vote in parliament. The site’s entire business model revolves around astroturfing.
this is not reddit. nor was the screenshot from reddit so you make no sense. you are blaming what they say on reddit yet they are just saying let’s do this on reddit.
I’m sure that they don’t have an economic agreement with that fake up votes website
Owning an “upvote company” is literally the only reason on God’s Earth that anyone could give seven shits about content and voting on reddit.
It may have had cultural impact back in 2016, but that was almost a decade ago and the world is different, reddit is different.
Now it’s just bots arguing with bots and every post is a surreptitious paid ad for something. People haven’t quite “move on” but they certainly don’t give reddit communities the relevance they once had. People broadly roll their eyes at reddit. In the last couple offices I worked in, the people joked that you’re “never allowed to share something on Teams if it came from reddit” and “reddit is a dirty secret, everyone knows we browse it, but it’s shameful to admit it.”
Sorry reddit, the cool factor has left the building a long, long time ago.
They’d fit right at home on r/Asmongold. That place has become a KotakuInAction offshoot in recent months. So much right wing, anti-woke and anti-trans content gets posted there that I’m surprised the admins haven’t quarantined or banned it.
so i’m not very familiar with asmongolds content, but I know someone who keeps posting his videos into a group chat I’m in together with anti-woke “why are there minorities in my video games” comments.
is that the type of content asmongold produces or is my acquaintance just extremely dense?
I’ve watched asmongold a bit on and off over the years, and I don’t think that he himself is really right wing (unless that changed recently), more just a no-filter, full-on basement dweller but mostly apolitical. Can’t say it’s really surprising if some of the audience has the 4chan vibe though. Never participated/cared about the chat or the subreddit though.
Counter argument: Reddit is predominately American. These upvote sites use low cost foreign slave labor to generate their output. Buying upvotes is outsourcing jobs. Keep Reddit American. Don’t buy upvotes!
I’m not American and I am a Redditor!
Reddit was taken over by the right wing a long time ago. This person is out of the loop
I get the feeling that the Admins and management are pretty right leaning, but the mods and users are left.
It depends heavily on what sub you’re in for the mods and users,
But yes, the admin team is very right leaning.
True. r/conservative certainly isn’t left.
I meant mods are left leaning on average.
The mods of the main subs have been getting progressively more right wing. And I consider the mainstream of the democrats right wing.
They’re not MAGA but they’re basically moderate repubicans these days. And that is what has taken over the main subreddits.
What are you smoking, reddit is a liberal echo chamber.
Depends on the subreddit. Conservatives have made a conscious effort to take over moderation on various subreddits that represents individual cities often in blue states. Some have succeeded in that, others have failed.
You’re telling me I could be getting paid for this shit?
Yes, but you have to be dead inside.
Way ahead of you
I’m not terribly against stealing money from maga dumb idiots with too much money.
I remember, back in 2016, when the /r/The_Donald website just used a bunch of bots and other fake accounts to juice their content to the front page week after week.
And then the Mods tweaked the algorithm so you wouldn’t have a wall of Trump memes on the front page every day. /r/The_Donald folks spilled into other sites and started repeating the strategy, so Mods had to tweak the algorithm again. And there was this back and forth that dragged all the way into the general election, at which point the Admins finally decided to ban the sub. But they also had to ban a slew of leftist subs, to make things fair.
And now we have Hexbear, a site composed of purged Reddit-fuges. But Reddit is still full of Trumpies, for some curious reason.
But Reddit is still full of Trumpies, for some curious reason.
It’s because conservative voices are being silenced!
And there was this back and forth that dragged all the way into the general election, at which point the Admins finally decided to ban the sub.
My recollection is that they didn’t ban the sub until after the election, like a year into his presidency, shortly after the Charlottesville protest. I might be wrong though, I wasn’t really paying all that much attention to them.
This is the equivalent of not being able to get your crush to like you, so you pay hooker just to tell people you got a girlfriend.
I bought Canada so I always have a Canadian supermodel girlfriend who just can’t be here right now.
