(Disclaimer: I voted against Trump and anyone who supported him in my state.)
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From the wiki on Project 2025:
Critics have characterized Project 2025 as an authoritarian, Christian nationalist plan to steer the U.S. toward autocracy.[14][16][17][18] Legal experts have said it would undermine the rule of law,[19] separation of powers,[7] separation of church and state,[20] and civil liberties.[7][19][21]
“It proposes criminalizing pornography and imprisoning those who produce it,[34][35] removing legal protections against discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity,[35][36] and terminating diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) programs[7][36] while having the DOJ prosecute “anti-white racism” instead”
Sounds like my country. We have bit better prisons if I happen to snap some day :D
Prices on everything will go up exponentially while income comes down. Worker protections won’t exist and the people in charge of your health, whether food, medical, other goods, will only care about which company gives them a bigger check.
Remember how baby food had to be recalled recently because it was unsafe to feed babies? That ain’t happening anymore! Fuck the babies! And if you can’t afford your $4k/month rent, to prison with you (because homelessness will be illegal and prison labour cheap cheap cheap!)
Trump will inherent all the work Biden’s administration did and some Trump policies will create short term boom. This is what a lot of people will notice.
The tough times will come a little later.
Yep. Look for things to start to look shaky just as he leaves office and then continue to degrade for the following 15 years as the sell off of the world’s future in favour of 2026s Q4 results starts taking people’s lives.
I feel like the U.S. is becoming similar to Russia. For example, we are seeing an autocratic strongman holding the highest office and only vaguely behaving within the democratic system, with a clear intent to rule unilaterally with a congress and Supreme Court that are less checks and more support for maintaining the power base. And as generations continue to experience this way of life, America as a society will forget what it was like for the past 250 years where both parties respected the system with peaceful transfer of power.
It’s sad, but fascinating in a kind of slow motion train crash to be alive for.
Not just the US, the entire planet.
For example: Ukraine Gaza Taiwan South Korea
Ugh, just thinking about the ripple effect that this is going to cause is makes me want to curl up in a corner.
On the plus side (/s) resource depletion, climate collapse and ww3 will probably get most of us by 2030. So there isn’t too much longer to wait.
Enjoy the last of the abundance and don’t reproduce, there isn’t really anything else we can do now.
More fucked than BREXIT.
The US will continue ticking. Money keeps flowing, and greed will continue running rampant.
As someone making a bank and based on the projections, the Trump tax changes are going to pay well. Anyone making less than $100k, or living off of social security or retirement are going to really suffer.
The Trump tax breaks are going to fund a future international trip. And poor folks will starve.
Btw I voted for Kamala. And America voted for a old dude who struggles to form sentences.
Luckily the House of representatives have set up the rules such that they can call to change their majority leader whenever they disagree with each other, so very few actual policies will change. They might even fail to pass their own tax plan again, that would be nice.
What is fucked is USA’s allies depending on support from NATO, USA’s economy as Tariff season is here now, USA immigrants, and of course the Environment. Last time Trump was in he removed protections for forests and streams, and put a Coal Lobbyist in charge of the EPA.
The House isn’t stuck with that though. They can amend the rules for the next session, and I’d imagine any speaker worth his salt would demand that rule be stricken because it is unworkable.
But in order to ammend the rules they first have to agree on it. Any speaker who opposes it can just be deposed because of the rule.
I know I’m being overoptimistic but I have high hopes for it.
In a new session isn’t there no speaker until one is elected with any rules?
Just don’t accept the rules and go into another cycle of endless votes for speaker.
Luckily the House of representatives have set up the rules such that they can call to change their majority leader whenever they disagree with each other, so very few actual policies will change.
A bunch of things did get changed during the last presidency because of the Republican majority.
Healthcare, internet privacy, hell even how mail got delivered.
If it’s not from policy changes, it’s from gutting the department and putting in cronies willing to sabotage the industry. You brought up environment policies, yeah those are gonna die.
One of the biggest things is that the “deep state”, an innocuous thing turned into a convenient boogeyman by trump, will be quietly destroyed. This is the thing that actually keep your mail arriving, your food edible and your children’s toys not coated in lead. The “deep state”, meaning actual subject matter experts doing their jobs throughout entire government for years, regardless of current administration, are all going to be replaced by kid rock and vaping young republicans fresh from dropping out of their second semester in at The University of Southern Alabama State.
That’s who’s going to be the dude inspecting your meat for e.coli and signing off on the clinical trials for your perception meds - Gunner, Hunter and Ryder.
Really don’t think anyone is considering the reality of how deeply fucked we’re going to be as we’re all fixed fully on the front door for obvious signs of trouble (immediate societal decay), while these broken cartoon villains fill the crawlspace with fertilizer and gasoline and kick in the backdoor with flamethrowers in hand.
We’re fucked, and we’re going to be focused on monitoring the wrong indicators of how fucked, until it is just beyond any repair within any of our lifetimes. For example, you’re going to have FIVE fundamentally broken people on the Supreme Court for the rest of your life. It’s over.
Exactly. They seem to forget the regulations rhat were lifted for the railroad industry and the multiple train disasters as a result.
There is alot of things the government does for you that most people likely have never thought about. Take invasive species for instance; There are huge efforts to contain and eradicate a variety of invasive species. You’ve probably never heard about these efforts. But they are needed to maintain and protect both farmland and the ecology of the United States. If those efforts are defunded and those species are allowed to run rampant it’ll be almost impossible to put that genie back in the bottle.
This is literally how we’ll get to “but brawndo gots what plants crave?”
Your understanding of the deep state is incorrect. Look up Edward Snowden if you’d like to know more.
Even if trump doesn’t do everything in project 2025, the supreme court picks mean we’re basically ultra fucked. Like, that’s best case.
To everyone in here saying that this is the end of democracy and this is the end times, what is stopping you from buying a gun and training with other liberals/leftists? Or are you just going to keel over and die?
I’m not a killer.
I already have guns, several of them.
🤝
I’m just going take my family and leave the country. I know that’s not an option for everyone, but it is for us, so we’re choosing that option.
Just curious, where are you going? My wife doesn’t want to move further from her family or we would be in New Zealand already.
We’re headed to Europe. Aiming for early next year.
Best of luck to you.
The gun store closes before I get home from work. That’s why I’m going tomorrow.
PM if you need recommendations
If they can afford a gun they likely have one, but rather than forming sects and training it seems like the moral thing to do, causing the least amount of harm to anybody, is wait for the enemy to attack first, if they do attack.
Joining a small militant group or ecoterrorism sect not only brings personal risks but also runs the risk of harming innocents, and being manipulated by other interested parties who would like to see destruction on American shores.
When you say wait for the enemy to attack, how will you defend your community in that eventuality if you haven’t trained to do so?
My “community” is the enemy who might attack me. Our dumb fuck neighbors voted a fascist in, and they’re not any more or less trained than I am. Probably less actually.
Your community in this case doesn’t mean your neighborhood. Your community means the people who you identify with and/or care about. If you truly believe that your neighbors are on the cusp of becoming death squads who are ready to gun down all the [insert your people] in town, it might be a good idea to have your friends know that the plan is to meet up at someone’s place that is more defensible. Or to get to the least mobile person. Or to get in a car with a particular destination in mind. Whatever your plan is, if the enemy is armed, it might be a good idea to also be armed.
My people are them. We’re our own enemy. Idk how you could possibly fail to see how life is in the USA, to instead think it is like isolated minority sects or a bunch of fantasy guilds or some wack shit like that.
You cannot tell the ones deserving to die from the ignorant buffoons, or even allies. There is no effective training to fight “the other ones”. There is no preemptive strike in good conscience. There is no guarantee of any violence on American shores unless we create it ourselves. More and more and more people will go hungry and cold in the streets for decades and it might still never devolve to the point of “death squads”.
So speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far.
If you don’t believe that there will be death squads (I’m not trying to convince you there will be), you are not the target of my question. Many people around Lemmy today are saying things like “you’ve just killed all trans people” or “I’m going to be hunted for sport now,” very much believing that they are part of an “isolated minority sect or fantasy guild or some wack shit like that.” These people do believe that there will be death squads.
Aren’t bullets expensive though ;. ;
Depends on what you consider expensive. For general purpose training, 9mm rounds (pistol) are easily found at about 25c each and 5.56 (rifle) are found at about 40c each.
Between 2017 and 2021, things got pretty bad. Riots, wars, a plague, economic crash, and it ended with a mob breaking into the nation’s capital and trashing the place.
Can’t imagine a repeat will be better.
And most of America was like, let’s do this again. Fucking idiots.
most of America
One American in five.
That was with moderates and non-partisan civil servants playing interference on his worst ideas.
You remember everything that came out about how people would ignore his orders until he forgot?
None of those people will be there
At some point he needs to be able to physically enact proposals. Like, it’s one thing to say “Build a wall” and it’s another to get the land rights, hire the contractors, do the work, maintain it on competition, etc, etc.
You can go down to the border now and you’ll find this rink a dink bullshit that’s falling over in a light breeze. Then you’ve got spools full of razor wire tossed into the steadily shallower Rip Grande. People got paid tens of millions to put that garbage in the ground. And that was under an ostensibly competent administration.
I agree we’re going to get a ton of shit policy. Police violence under Trump is going to skyrocket. Vigilantee violence is going to jump. Border guard violence is going through the roof. But, like, is he going to build anything that can last? Or is he going to get the Americanized version of Neom? A bunch of scammers delivering invisible clothes to prance around in.
I guess we’ll find out.
Some people are going to die-- mostly women. More people are going to have their lives turned upside-down, especially immigrants and ethnic and sexual minorities. Many immigrants, even legal ones, are going to be expelled. Corporations are going to run wild as regulation is abandoned. People are going to be bankrupted by predatory healthcare firms at a much higher rate than now. Every form of corporate pollution, adulteration, cheating and chicanery will be tolerated. The judiciary will be further corrupted. The US will not only withdraw from NATO, but will try to shut it down. Ukraine will be handed to Putin on a platter. Taiwan, the Baltics, Moldova and Poland will be left to fend for themselves. The ethnic cleansing in Gaza will transition even further to a full-scale genocide. Every aspect of government will be handed to corrupt, incompetent fanatics: kakistocracy all the way down. The impartiality of the civil service will be destroyed and the 19th-century spoils system reinstated. Social Security will be privatized and gutted. Obamacare will be eliminated. Congress will hold show trials of Trump’s perceived enemies. Terrorist acts and sabotage of critical infrastructure will massively increase, and the clampdowns that follow will be used to further degrade what few rights we still have.
But at least you won’t have Kamala’s pantsuit to complain about.
All that, and you may have left out the most damaging of all… Trump will likely pull the US out of Copenhagen, leaving no chance of limiting temps below 2C let alone getting anywhere near 1.5C. The excess deaths from this will likely dwarf COVID.
Honestly, I can’t be bothered to worry about the climate 100 years from now when we’re going to be attacking (many more) Americans 100 days from now
Mate it’s not 100 years, more like 20. Look at all the extreme weather from this year alone. Most recently with Spain.
Don’t get me wrong, Drumph’s second term will be bad for everyone. But the climate issue is going to be truly catastrophic on a scale even he and his cronies can’t match. There should be plenty of worry to go around.
bro, i know all that stuff is bad, but have you heard her laugh? we made a solid choice.
(i hope i don’t need the /s, but Poe’s Law says i probably do)
Why dont you guys start your own " stop the steal"?
Just say that 20 million illegals voted for trump, Kamala won and all this is just big election fraud.Just wondering.
Wait until he mobilizes the military into blue states to force compliance.
Probably less than he killed during the pandemic. Unless he uses nukes
Breathtakingly fucked. Wannabe dictator with a mandate from the dumbest mfers alive.
But take heart. The battle for the US is now a fight between the old guard Reaganite Republicans and the out&out Fascists. For the next 4 years at least the Dems are a complete non-factor. I hope the DNC is proud of their accomplishment.
All the worst possible things that could happen are now not just on the table but incredibly likely.
old guard Reaganite Republicans
So, the non-overt fascists?
Yes.
All they really care about is strengthening the oligarchy. Cutting taxes. Deregulation. If it benefits big business, they’re for it. And that’s where the conflict will arise. The loud and proud fascists want shit like mass deportations. The Reaganites know that’s bad news for a lot of businesses. Construction, agriculture, etc.
The loud and proud fascists want shit like mass deportations.
Keeping the expendable labor violently repressed is literally one of the main “services” fascism renders to the liberal (ie, capitalist) order. What did you think all this “immigrant” hysteria was really all about?
No, they don’t want deportations - that’s just what they tell the rank-and-file goons in order to get them to do the dirty work. They want all the expendable labour appropriately terrorized, under constant threat of state brutality and violently prevented from integrating with US society. Ie, it’s literally as old as the Book Of Exodus.
So no. This is good for business. And the Reagen-fascists knows this as well as the Trump-fascists do. It’s just the vile way in which capitalism has always used fascism to further it’s own ends.
They are all bastards of the highest order.
Also now he’s convinced that God specifically saved him from a bullet and chose him…
Multiple regulatory bodies are going to get disbanded. The EPA is unlikely to survive, whole departments of the FDA are about to get gutted. Anything involving industrial safety is going to get its funding cut. Unconstitutional crackdowns on free and independent media is almost certain. Large scale damage to the functions of many government institutions can be expected. Massive economic damage due to reckless deregulation ( that’s even before they start putting tariffs on everything and wind up in multiple simultaneous trade wars). Funding for education and infrastructure maintenance will be reduced to allow tax cuts for the already wealthy. Massive loss of global influence and a massive gain in influence by hostile autocratic nations is also something you can expect.
I could go on and on but even if you were to assume they weren’t serious about project 2025 (if you haven’t read that you should) it’s real bad.
call me hopelessly naiive but just… why? the why is what i can never wrap my head around? why do they want to destroy the country? do they hate it? and like… why would people want to get rid of social security? do they just want people after 65 years old to… die? why?? i’m so sad…
Yes. America has always been two countries. I hate the America they love and they hate the America we love. And the problem is that these Americas have always existed together. We’re the Union to their confederacy. We’re the premature anti fascists to their silver shirts.
Many believe they are saving the country by voting for Trump. Everyone sees that America is going downhill. Everything is more expensive, more uncertain, more precarious. Leftists blame corporations and corporate capture of government agencies. Right wingers think that more corporate power is good and if left unchecked, the “free market” (aka government rules that favor unchecked corporate malfeasance) will be better for America.
People vote for their economic interests, as best as they can understand them. Most on the right think that their economic interests are served by corporate deregulation and scapegoating of immigrants. However, within that context, this is also why removing social security is not realistic. That’s a direct attack on people’s benefits, which they are not in favor of. Right wing corporate types want to cut social security so they don’t have to pay taxes, or there will be more money in the government coffers to give back to the corporations. But the majority of right wing people that the corporate types rely on for votes will never vote to repeal social security.
