• rigatti@lemmy.world
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    6 days ago

    The Axios article you linked says and implies nothing about parenting. The obvious conclusion from the data is that society is more accepting of LGBTQ people, so LGBTQ people are more likely to come out.

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      6 days ago

      That isn’t the obvious conclusion, since the boomers grew up with immense wealth and privacy, and they completely revolutionized sexuality in the West…

      They literally normalized pornography, the pill and other birth control, including abortion, and attempted to normalize the more radical concept of ‘free love’ at one point. They normalized and accepted cohabitation before marriage, and began to view sex in terms of ‘compatibility.’

      … If the baby boomers were closeted gays, why weren’t they consuming gay porn privately in abnormal amounts…?

      Why weren’t they having gay hookups in abnormal amounts…?

      Why wasn’t one of the first things they did during the wild sixties is bring up homosexuality?

      Because they simply were not inclined in large numbers to be gay or to be transgender.

      I think there are really only two logical views of sexuality:

      • Sexuality is largely fluid and cultural
      • Only 2% of men and perhaps 5% or more of women are even capable of homosexuality, and in the cases of ancient Greece, modern Turkey and MENA states, etc., they literally are just using someone of the same gender as a msturbtory aid, not unlike men in prisons. The 20% of people claiming to be LGBTQ today are doing so generally for attention, or they are including people they treat simply as sexual outlets and not primary interests as equally valid and thus considerign themselves LGBTQ.

      Of course, the former of the two is more logical.

      The idea that Baby Boomers and Xers are just not honest with themselves seems nuts to me. Boomers had plenty of premarital sex, and Gen X had the most sex of all the living generations, and they couldn’t figure that out ?

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        6 days ago

        I mean you very much can force your kids into certain roles and behaviors. That is not forcing them to actually be gay or trans, but to live like they are, and is child abuse – i assume this is more rare but idk. How you objectively distinguish between helping/supporting and forcing the kids is beyond me though, I couldn’t write a law to capture that.

        I think your comment is interesting though because I saw the meme and never thought they were saying anything forcing kids to be gay/trans, but being forced to act like or believe they were because that’s what their parents wanted.

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        7 days ago

        This is an odd take to me since the consensus among sexologists is often the fluidity of sexual orientation…? How else do we explain societies in which things like pederasty and various other forms of homosexuality were widely accepted, and then for it ranging to societies that are incredibly closed…?

        And stuff like this:

        0.6% of Traditionalists (born before 1946) identiy as LGBTQ 2.6% of Baby Boomers 4.2% of Gen X 10.5% of Millenials 20.8% of Gen Z

        From super Fascist far right wing source Axios.

        As sexuality is clearly to some degree fluid and is informed and swings drastically by generation due to changing culture, the idea that sexuality is influenced by parenting seems also to be clear…?

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          There are no more LGBTQ people today than there were back in the 40s. They’re just not being jailed for it. As society becomes more accepting more people feel safe coming out. Even Alan Turing was tossed into a cell for being gay, and he arguably led to Britain winning world war 2. Whereas in my kids school class the only ones who have a problem with it are the Palestinians. And the 20% includes bi people who would have flown easily under the radar back in the day

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    7 days ago

    Of course they had to photoshop this image because they can’t actually find any real case of someone brainwashing their kids to be trans.

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      Her ex-husband, however, did not believe James has gender dysphoria and that his child was just experiencing some confusion with gender.

      He accused Georgulas of forcing James to socially transition into a girl by making the child wear dresses.

      But the arguments over their child’s gender began when Georgulas took James to see a gender therapist at the Children’s Hospital Center.

      She claims she had noticed James requesting girl-themed toys, that the child was imitating female Disney characters and had been asking to wear dresses.

      The therapist recommended James start social transitioning by wearing dresses to school and going by the name Luna.

      Younger claims his ex-wife had been forcing the transition ever since their divorce and has accused Georgulas of starting to manipulate their child when James was just three years old accusing her of locking their son in the bedroom and telling their child that ‘monsters only eat boys’.

      Younger also claims Georgulas had been forcing the child to wear dresses.

      Younger went on to publicly accuse his ex-wife of sexually abusing their child.

      Daily Mail

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      I’m sure you could find examples. There are plenty of cases of mentally ill parents forcing their kids to act like another gender throughout history, I would be surprised if we never had such a parent go further and forcibly medicate their children as well – we have examples of parents medicating their kids to keep them sick for attention, this isn’t that much different.

      With that said, I would assume this is very rare, but definitely not impossible.

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        Maybe I misstated; they don’t care whether there’s an actual case, let alone if this commonly happens, as long as they have something to rage at.

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          Idk I guess it depends on who they is. I have family members that I believe still think rationally but that think this is a huge issue, and as far as I can tell it’s because they’re getting mislead on the percentages of cases where straight kids are getting abused and the severity – propaganda is very powerful.

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    7 days ago

    I just looked at your history OP. How did a transgender immigrant hurt you? Because clearly that must be the case…

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      I am an immigrant. A 100% legal immigrant who has been barreling over legal obstacles for two decades and holding off on citizenship due to some rather personal concerns.

      I guess I am very intereted in transgenderism beacuse it has blown up the LGBTQ movement in general to me. I was sympathetic to the idea that indiviudal gays simply wanted legal protections and equality under the law, but it turns out that the most zany predictions from Christian conservatives were actually underestimations of where the LGBTQ movement was going.

      If you told me in 2005 that the fight for civil unions and lifting the ban on gay soldiers was going to end with the fight to allow the transitioning of prepubascent children with healthy, non-intersex bodies… I would not have believed you. But here we are.

      And that’s why I am interested.