A more fractured internet is coming. Posting sources will be forbidden. Discourse will become more polarized, disconnected, and extreme.
Most of these Reddit bans on Twitter are also half assed. They still allow screenshots of Twitter posts. That means the content is still spread, and Twitter remains relevant.
Lots of these subreddits don’t even get a lot of Twitter links in the first place. Like for lotrmemes it makes zero difference.
That said, Musk and Twitter suck. I have deleted my Twitter account three years ago.
However there still is some information, where Twitter is a good source.
Lots of these subreddits don’t even get a lot of Twitter links in the first place. Like for lotrmemes it makes zero difference.
That’s not true. Gondor uses Twitter instead of beacons to call for aid now.
However there still is some information, where Twitter is a good source.
I agree. There are some great OSINT posters that share all sorts of information you won’t find anywhere else. For example when Israel struck back at Iran after the initial wave of missiles and drones- it was a guy on twitter who geolocated and found the satellite images of what they hit.
And that information directly contradicted the Israeli official narrative. You won’t find it on NY Times. You won’t find it on Washington Post. Hell, you’d have a hard time finding it here or on reddit. That’s just one example, there’s a wealth of live data about Russia v Ukraine as well. One thing I’ve really learned the last 3 years since 2022 is that the mainstream media will completely lie to you. It isn’t just bias, it’s outright lying. So people online who are dedicated to the truth and provide receipts, I find, is a breath of fresh air. It allows humans without privileged information to go online and actually see with their own eyes what is happening on the ground. It’s something that frankly hasn’t been the case for any time in human history. Although I think it’s going to be a short window of time that will be true.
I think Twitter has progressively been becoming more censored. For now, most people are more or less ignored if you aren’t talking about the hot topics- but I think very soon anything against official US narrative will be banned. Same thing with Facebook, Tiktok, etc.
We’re seeing the social media sites align themselves with the US government in preparation for the next global war. The first thing to go in war is the truth. Soon there will be a giant firewall and we won’t be able to see content from overseas. Initially people will be able to use VPNs and other methods and then eventually that will be met with criminal charges.
If we like it or not, twitter is still the most important social network for journalisst and thinktankers.
Twitter has always been the red headed step child of social media. It had outsized cultural importance because most people consumed it via screenshot, not actually browsing the site. The reach of an individual twitter user is greatly augmented by their reach on other social platforms via screenshot
Your right it is where all the journalists post and Substack is a second. Which I can see Reddit banning. Probably not the best to get news from Reddit anymore.
I feels like bizarro world if you fall somewhere in the middle of the political spectrum or don’t really care about politics. Seems their are only two extremes and you have to drink the cool-aid of whatever site you’re on or be suppressed. Whether you agree or disagree the push to ban twitter/x from all the sports subs was definitely a coordinated operation. Very troubling to me to see this kind of mass manipulation going on… these sports subs should have nothing to do with politics but maybe I’m the delusional one. I don’t know.
I did see a sub called fullmoviesonyoutube or something where a mod soloed the ban. Pretty amusing to read the user comments in that one
Here on Lemmy, people who claim to advocate for freedom of speech and information, demanding for information shared on social networks to be controlled, shutdown and people to be censored based on unknown and ambiguous criteria, without even understanding the implications of it.
Details at six
What does freedom of speech have to do with independent subreddits deciding they don’t want to serve content from a private company they don’t agree with?
It’s easy if they have no idea what “freedom of speech” actually means and what it actually allows. The phrase at face value is nothing like the constitutionally protected action. They are too ignorant to know that.
That’s easy, freedom of speech means you can say what I want but not what you want, and it applies everywhere including in my dreams. So if you say something I don’t like in my dreams I can criminally charge you and take you to hell in a cell.
Edit: Thought this would be obvious satire, but here we are. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Look, I’m all for freedom of speech. I’m nearly as close to an absolutist as they come.
This is an example of a protest. Nobody is restricting anybody’s speech. They aren’t banning Musk-supporters. They aren’t censoring Trumpers. They are specifically banning links to a website owned by a billionaire who did a Nazi salute at an event where hundreds of millions if not billions of people would witness him.
Not to worry, you’re simply confusing freedom of speech with obliging private actors to consume content they don’t want to consume or disagree with. The first is a fundemental principle of democratic legal systems and recognized as a perempotry norm under international law. The second is authoritarianism.
There’s a growing number of legally illiterate people who think freedom of speech is absolute and even affords one the right to oblige others consume their speech through the government. That is fundamentally wrong and a complete misunderstanding of how these key principles of freedom work and have always worked in modern democratic systems.
Newsflash - freedom of speech is not absolute. Never has been. There are very specific, explicitly codified limitations. Why? Because words are the most powerful weapons and can be used to target and threaten the freedoms of other people, including their freedom to life. Which is why rights and obligations are always balanced against each other, following the principle of proportionality.
If you feel so strongly about not being able force others to consume content they don’t want to consume, then I have bad news for you - you are opposing democracy. But it seems like you, and many other like you, are just confused, rather than actively promoting anti-democratic standpoints. The truly sad part? The impact is the same regardless of intent.
Edit: Want to know more? Details at 6.
It’s so typical to see 90% good argument and 10% insult the OP & half the country. If believers stuck to the 90% good argument and left out the insults you’d win a lot of followers.
The sky is blue and I think OP is a moron. The second part doesn’t make the first untrue, it also doesn’t make it an ad hominem argument.
Half the voters(not country) are a bunch of gullible clowns and calling them out is just an observation.
I don’t want any followers or believers. Calling it as I see it. That is all.
He’s a nazi. There’s no space it civil society for nazis.
Existence of mods goes against the concept of freedom of speech. People aren’t prevented from directly using Twitter themselves. They’d be on 4chan if they wanted something as close to an unfiltered internet.
We wouldn’t be on our respective instances that have blocked off entire instances and communities if we wanted to consume unfiltered internet content.
100, I get more dislikes here than I ever did on Reddit.
Downvotes are not a form of censorship.
Also, that sounds like a you problem, not an “us” problem.
I know downvotes aren’t censorship. Not really, I saw the change happen in real time. I was on Twitter before it was run by Feds.
Weird tangent, but ok
Lemmy instances should follow suit.
Disagree, but I also almost never follow them anyway. I pretty much only follow a link if I think it’s to a first party article or something.
De-centralized as long as you go with what I say…
Here we go. If let’s just say all the instances came together and did the same ban because some hivemind mentality had taken over. It would metaphorically be centralized again. The chances of that happening-probably zero.
How can you have been on Lemmy longer than me yet have such a fundamental misunderstanding of centralized/non-federated vs decentralized/federated?
I’m not sure you understand what decentralized means.
You’re perfectly free to go on Lemmy instances that don’t have that as a rule.
I’m surprised it hasn’t happened yet
Dbzer0 took a vote and will block it from their instance I believe
I just added it as a rule for the communities I moderate. I also set my Bluesky feeds to filter out X links.
Don’t do it as a “protest.” Do it as the new norm. Xitter has no worth and should be relegated to the porta-potty of time.
Meta, Twitter, now tiktok. BLATANTLY obvious coordination to propagandize social media.
Fuck then all, damn then to hell, scourge of modern society.
I used to spend time on Facebook catching up with friends and family. That was way back in like 2010. I can’t stand that platform now. It’s all AI trash and random reels. I don’t even know why I’m getting some of these reels but I suspect they are sharing data with other platforms like YT. I miss the internet of the 2000s…
They all share data or buy it. Talk about some random shit near your phone they know. I do it for giggles now. Not sure what works as a trigger it but I’ve made my own advertising for workout equipment, dj tables, etc without searching any of it.
Oh yeah. I get that too. I’m sitting here talking about the most random shit with my cousins and bam! Facebook got an ad for that.
Remember last time Redditor’s protested only to cave so they could keep being mods? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
This is a bit different from before. They aren’t privating the subs this time, they’re just doing their unpaid full time job by disallowing posts with untrusted sources.
I was the founder of r/TIHI in a past life and u/spez removed all of us moderators because we weren‘t opening the sub as part of our protest.
I them requested them to take down the subs title picture and logo which I created and they didn‘t even bother.
A redditor of quality, you have my respect.
Thank you for your service
Yeah let’s see if they keep this up. In a few weeks they’ll cave in and say, “Well we want to keep people informed”.
Does Reddit have some sort of contract with X with regards to sharing of content? I know they have one with OpenAI.
why do they still show these kind of pictures of him. for me there is only one picture of him to show from now on
I still enjoy the edgy liberty pic and the balding one.
Oh yes for the totally unproblematic picture taken at the inauguration, and since it’s so unproblematic he can’t possibly have an issue with it being posted.
Although a solid second favorite is him in a punk leather jacket. Mostly because he hates it.
I would also accept the picture of him leaping 2" off the ground with both arms up and his belly showing.
In before reddit forces those subs to allow links to twitter.
Waiting for Spez to weigh in with his typical subtlety and even-handedness… 🍿
THATS what spez looks like??? I was expecting some corporate looking lawyer type face. This is more like that incel who repulsed girls in high school, and is now in his 40s…but still very much the same person.
Such a punchable face.
Dude, read about the guy. He is such a massive fucking chode.
This is more like that incel who repulsed girls in high school, and is now in his 40s
Don’t forget that he used to be a moderator of r/jailbait
TIL… what a fucking douche
He looks like a greedy little pig boy
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He’s got lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll’s eyes. When he comes at you it doesn’t seem to be livin’… until he bites you, and those black eyes roll over white.
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They were quoting Jaws.
I’m sure there’s other stuff for you to be offended about though.
Sorry, I wasn’t aware it was a reference to jaws.
I’ll retract my previous comment then.
Thanks for pointing it out :)
He looks like Zuckerberg fucked Ellen DeGeneres.
This is what my eyes will see from this day forward.
Please don’t insult pigs by comparing them to that cunt.
And start banning mods who don’t support Musk and Nazism, wholeheartedly.
Even wearing super cyclical goggles, it doesn’t make sense for reddit to intervene here. Twitter is a competitor, why would they want to encourage people to link to a competitor?
If they have a data sharing agreement, I can think of a few rea$on$.
cyclical goggles
The goggles, they keep spinning!
legacy social media
Aaaand here come the admins to relentlessly bully any mods involved in this into submission. Because the reddit admins are pathetic, greedy little pig boys who don’t give a flying shit about their users or moderators.
Reddit users are about to get reminded that its not their platform to make rules
It’s either the power mods or the admins who decide how content gets censored on reddit. Which one is worse?
That was my guess as well, but so far, as reported to Ars Technica, they don’t intend to intervene
I give them a week before they change their minds
Wait until some Trump loyalist brownshirt calls pigboy.
Why would the owners of Reddit care about twitter?
Yeah, fuck Reddit. They are part of the problem.
Oh that’ll fucking show em
actually it will.
weaning reliance off of a Nazi owned platform is the early signs of a dying product.
Lemmy should do the same IMO.
Some Lemmy communities already have.
I’ve seen that the Playstation and Nintendo communities have both banned it recently.
Twitter probably benefits from people being redirected to their site from repostings with how it has become the go to source for news like sports, so it might. Won’t hurt Elon financially but less people being exposed to the content there that Elon wants to push that don’t actively use Twitter is a good thing even if it is only a few.
Even small moves is a good thing with how over the years sports and game submissions have become increasingly more Twitter submissions.
Twitters value has already been going down the shitter thanks to shit leadership, this is just another nail.
The less its posts are shared, the less its relevance is to the world. I can’t see that as a bad thing. It always baffled me how outsize Twitter’s influence was on world events/news while having 1/5th the active userbase of Facebook.
He’s going to buy reddit now. Lmao.
Can’t musk simply state that naziism is wrong and hitler was a very bad guy?
That’s right of coarse he can!
HHHMMM!
Why?!
Le epic 14 y/o troll mAStEr mOvE was doing the worst nonverbal political thing one can do and getting away with it without apologizing.
The centrists accept it might have been inadvertent. He’d never have the lefties anyway and the far right will, of course, absolutely love it. It’s the kind of thing a kid in shoes of power might dream up and run by the team and all have fits of laughter: “they can’t prove anything if you don’t say anything!”
/fiction /conspiracytheory
Nice way to commemorate the Jan 6ers’ prison release. And great distraction, as it must be.
No I mean if you disagree with what nazis did, you will never have a problem saying exactly that. Whether it’s to clear up a misunderstanding or for any other reason. Rejecting nazis has nothing to do with being edgy or being right or wrong in a debate. It’s a simple idea that can be said at anytime.
That would be good for Lemmy.
Those are rookie numbers!
