Conservatives lie in their very word choices.
“Somebody pointed out I was wrong about something” = propaganda
“Conservatives lost” = it wasn’t fair
Stuff like that. Take the opportunity to talk about things in ways that leave the reader understanding more clearly when you see lying word choices like the ones in this screencap.
??? their guy put a literal neo-nazi in a position of power and they’re calling acknowledging this “propaganda”
People are so fucking stupid. Liberals complain that Reddit is too conservative now. Conservatives complain that it’s too liberal. Well which is it?
thats that controversy feeding algorithim
Its both because they pander to the popular, which is why anything thays actually useful, funny, or satirical gets banned on that site.
It could be that people are just getting more polarized or at least more vocal about all political beliefs? Maybe? I’m not really sure, tbh.
That’s the problem with reddit
Mods have complete control of how left or right a given community is so you will always see the one you don’t like if you look for it
Like someone said below, it’s the mods that are the problem.
depends on which sub you go to.
People are so fucking stupid. Liberals complain that Reddit is shit now because of the conservatives. Conservatives complain that it’s shit because of the liberals. Well which is it?
Slightly rephrased.
They’re already here, so much Nazi apologia has appeared all of a sudden.
Yeah, I have seen a few “Roman salute… throwing his heart… autistic… etc” people in the threads about Edolf Muskler’s salute.
Also seen plenty centrist democrats blame protest voters as if that had more of an effect than the democrats bending over for republicans.
Glad I am not the only one to have noticed.
Honestly, I kind of hope they do.
Every time they experience the slightest indication that their views aren’t normal or reasonable, they lose a little bit of confidence and a little bit of power.
Think about the “weird” moment last summer. Walz had Republicans sputtering and whining about how they totally aren’t weird at all. The best Trump could come up with was “no u!” I think, if Harris had maintained that energy, she’d have been inaugurated this week. And speaking of this week, Trump is all offended and in a tizzy because an Episcopal priest read him the words of Jesus on Tuesday.
The slightest speedbump or disfavor spins them out.
Now. What community on the internet is more disfavorable toward conservatives than Lemmy? It’s nothing but speedbumps for them over here. They’d last approximately an hour and a half, and they’d see a more united resistance than they’ve ever imagined from corporate-owned media. Some of them might even realize that the mainstream socials are actually preferential toward them, and maybe reevaluate some opinions. For a moment, they’d see how weird they are.
Filter bubbles aren’t inherently bad. But when they’re holding together an odious group in a terrible shared delusion, they need to be popped. Lemmy might pop their bubble, at least a little bit.
Let them come. I pity their bar tabs.
The moderation practices on that subreddit have created an environment where dissenting opinions are swiftly and permanently banned. This approach has fostered an echo chamber where only one perspective is allowed to thrive, reinforcing a cycle of confirmation bias and groupthink. As a result, most conservative posts lack depth and often resemble oversimplified memes rather than meaningful discourse.
Even when an opposing viewpoint manages to slip through, it’s often dismissed as artificial or the work of bots. This mindset reveals how deeply entrenched their worldview has become—so much so that they struggle to believe that differing opinions could be genuine. It’s a surreal and unfortunate dynamic that stifles any chance of productive discussion.
A sure sign of their self delusion is that this sub admits “satire” posts, in what is supposed to be for discussing conservative topics.
Because leftists are not as inconsiderate as them, they have to make up imaginary stories to expel their rancor.
Indeed! Which is why they need to be shown the real world. Lemmy isn’t that, but it could shock their systems into believing that /r/conservative isn’t, either.
I’ve been aware of the fediverse since the api-lypse but have just been lurking for a good while. I really hope we manage to find a social media system that doesn’t bow to censorship. We need to find a way that lets us decentralize servers to not rely on AWS.
That costs a lot of money. “Finding” that sort of thing is basically just going to involve donating a bunch of cash, on an ongoing basis.
Finding could also mean letting users share hosting responsibilities. Like making fediverse similar to torrenting.
Interesting idea. I don’t know if we have a robust enough infrastructure for that right now, but it’s conceptually interesting.
Yeah i’m no programmer but being forced to rely on AWS or any other company for hosting sucks.
At first I thought you meant pitching in for the cost, but you mean more like lending cpu cycles or memory.
Every once in a great while the people of Reddit do the right thing and I’m proud of every one of them that took a stand. Even the BBC is calling it an awkward gesture and they aren’t owned by right wing billionaires in the US. Not ONE media news org here has called the obvious. Sanewashing. Wish I’d never heard the term.
I will play devil’s advocate. Media outlets are scared of being sued for defamation or scrutinised for what may turn out to be misleading news. That’s why there are always referring to “sources who spoke on the condition of anonymity” or adopt a mild language to refer to something. But if I am a news publisher, I would describe Musk’s gesture as “appears to be Nazi salute” or to that effect. It is still calling it out as it is, but I would still have plausible deniability.
I see your point … Fear of retribution through the FCC is now a real thing. This is how it begins though - first they ban free speech and any dissent and then the ones that still stand up will be disappeared.
Plus it’s likely that if you post any criticism of Musk whatsoever you get a lawsuit automatically. That’s what rich people do. They can afford it. Its like having a VPN or an alarm system on your house. They send their lawyers.
The biggest issue is that the media is focusing on just this one incident in specific. They’re acting as if whether or not musk is a nazi hinges exclusively on if it was meant as a seig heil or not.
Ultimately his nazi salute is just the latest in a very very long line of racist and intolerant shit he’s said, done, and perpetuated. Regardless or whether he seig heiled or not, he’s still a nazi.
Oh, nice! I’m not yet banned from that subreddit!
Lets change that :D
That subreddit is an absolute dumpster fire of stupidity.
Conservatism is for people who can’t think for them selves. They Can’t comprehend there are different needs for many different peoples. They need to be told how to live, love, and even act. Education can solve the issue but those kinds of people don’t want education they want everything to be under their control their ideology.
It’s the definitian of the Hobbesean “right”, that human nature is monstrous, beastly and war-like, and that we need to rely on a “better few” to monopolize violence to keep everyone in order. They don’t believe that people are capable of self-governance because they don’t do it themselves. The Rousseau “left” believe that we’re egalitarian by nature, and that we’re innately good in small populations but have naturally strayed from our egalitarian origins because of civilization. Anarchists understand that both of these are incorrect.
Who else is fully expecting Reddit admins to come out in a few days banning twitter bans, and banning anyone that tries to enforce them?
Im bombed by leftist propaganda
They are correct, but not how they think. A big part of conservatism, even among the less fanatical, is to bury your head in the sand. I can see how peeking out for some air will seem like a flood of propaganda. Like that “final experiment” that just went down to dunk on flat earth, but for even the most mundane thing about how society works.
That’s not really true. Going to specific places for specific things is very different to putting one’s head in the sand. If you make such assumptions about your opposing tribes you’ll continue to increase social division, and that’s the core of this mess.
Edit: Calm the fuck down. This is not where the war you want will be fought, and if it happens, you won’t be depended on to make a difference until the attrition gets really, really dire.
Edit edit: Ooooooooh. I’m in Reddit. A’doi!
The issue isn’t fucking “social division”.
It’s that one of the established American political parties went bat shit crazy and abandoned every principle they ever had in the naked pursuit of bigotry and power.
Any time you spread “both sides” bullshit, *you’re aiding a hard-right propaganda machine *
It’s that one of the established American political parties went bat shit crazy
People have been saying this about the GOP since Goldwater. The Republicans aren’t going batshit crazy. This has always been their platform. This has always been their policy. For 60 years running. The party of the Southern Strategy and the Red Scare hasn’t materially changed. It’s the Democrats (or, at least, the rank and file of the party) that has shifted from edgy white middle class GenX shitlibs to gender fluid, racially mixed, multicultural dirt poor Zoomers.
This much the Crowderverse absolutely has right. The progressive wing of the Democratic Party is breaking away from the traditional small-c conservative evangelical white nationalist roots. Biden/Harris campaigned like Bill Clinton and lost because their base no longer has a stomach for Clintonian liberalism.
Meanwhile, the Republican base isn’t changing. They’re being Based and Trad and trying to replicate all the moods of the 1950s, absent an economy powered by trillions in new post-war cheap public capital. So they’re just grasping scams, losing a bunch of money, growing increasingly economically anxious, blaming migrants/transgender tweens/Chinese TikTok dances, and doubling down on old school American fascism.
Any time you spread “both sides” bullshit, *you’re aiding a hard-right propaganda machine *
There’s no shame in recognizing a social divide that’s expanding over time. But there’s a fundamental difference between buying into right-wing hysteria about shoplifting gangs or transgender Mexican ISIS and acknowledging that your Boomer parents/grandparents are drowning in their own nostalgia while you’re moving on to greener ideological pastures.
Your perspective confuses and intrigues me
the post of the previous commenter was nuanced.
usually it is a good thing, but since the far-right is blatantly nazi, there are some risk with “nuance”
overall, the previous comment seems to be analyzing how this divide is happening.
my only complaint is that the comment doesn’t make clear who are the fuckers who are dirving the social divide (spoilers: the right who is nostaligic about the post-war period and want to create a “new” post war period by, well, going full nazi)
Weevil has some hot takes but I don’t really disagree with this one. You could rephrase it as “times are changing and conservatives don’t want to change” and no one would deny it.
Agreed about who’s creating those wedge issues as well but I’ll even get conspiratorial and blame shadowy right-wing think tanks.
Visiting my family members that are conservative and their friends tell me their head is in the sand. After so long under, any dose of reality is too high for them.
Going to specific places for specific things is very different to putting one’s head in the sand.
Going to /r/politics and panicking because its not politics I like is putting one’s head in the sand.
Unfortunately for them, saber rattling quasi dictators pushing Nazi ideologies, consorting with admitted neo Nazis, frequently spewing Nazi quotes, and doing the actual fucking Nazi salute… Kinda invades and consumes everyone’s life.
And they sure don’t want you to bring it up. I can only guess because either they themselves are Nazis, or because they don’t want to feel or admit responsibility for the human scum they vote for.
I don’t understand how what you said isn’t burying one’s head in the sand
I’d love to see a flame war between MAGA conservatives and Hexbear tankies. Horseshoe theory manifest.
As someone said on reddit they don’t want a safe space for them.
what they want is to be enabled to shit on everyone else’s food and smirk at us while we try to separate their shit from our beans.
It is a power dynamic where they want to force their shit upon us.
they already have their safe space on r/conservative where they go to circle jerk around “the left is bad”.
They do get tired from that and there is no new “left is bad” if the entire political spectrum was composed of them.
Far right and conservative hate is a self cannibalizing movement.
Even if they killed all gay, black, hispanic, asian, autistic, disabled and any sort of “the other”, then, they would need to find new “others” to start to hate and kill. Their fight is always inward, against the enemy within.
They will proceed to kill white people because either they are not white enough or that they are too white (“ginger” people which should’ve be considered the “correct type of white” if racism ever made any sense since they are paler than almost any other ethnicity).
So, they need an existing enemy and a platform that enables them to shit on us.
If they ever come to lemmy, the correct path is to ban as soon as they shou their true colors and start to throw shit around.
It only requires a few probing question to know if someone is in good or bad faith.
When the comment goes into 5 or more replies, it is almost always for sure that the conservative answering is in bad faith (only exception is if they clearly show that they are learning something with the discussion and adapting their viewpoints with each new comment)
Yep. Just a reminder that Irish and Italian people were not considered “white” in the US until relatively recently.
We used to have distinct legal terms for each degree of “blackness” in someone’s background. If you had one black grandfather, the government had a term for you. None of this is new to the US.
The Hexbears think the conservatives are already here…
They will not join mainstream instances obviously, and we can defederate them.
Why is that obvious?
Well, I hear LW described as “people that want it to be like reddit” so maybe because LW is large and seen as very reddit-like in terms of rules/policy they wouldn’t want to join current popular instances.
Lemmy has already been affected. It’s actually worse than Reddit right now in my experience.
A hilarious part of this thread was that they convinced themselves that X couldn’t possibly be that unpopular and it had to be a bunch of bots posting and upvoting these threads to ban X.
In support of this they said “This post about banning X is the [n]th most popular post ever on /r/LiverpoolFC, even higher than when they won the champions league! It can’t be real”. They didn’t even consider that the post about banning X made it to the top of /r/all where a lot of people who couldn’t care less about football/futbol/soccer upvoted it. They couldn’t care less about that team, but they also supported banning X, so they upvoted.
context? did i miss reddit drama?
I dunno, the story seems pretty self-contained lol…
Wouldn’t you believe it, everything insults them, everyone is against them.
Then why is conservatism still the most frequent mental disorder!?
John Stuart Mill has this to say:
“I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it. Suppose any party, in addition to whatever share it may possess of the ability of the community, has nearly the whole of its stupidity, that party must, by the law of its constitution, be the stupidest party… It may be said that if stupidity has a tendency to Conservatism, sciolism, or half-knowledge, has a tendency to Liberalism.
I have grown appreciation to respect some conservative ideas. As I grow older, I see why some look for stability. There is plenty of good debate when it comes fiscal responsibility and gradual reformism, but this doesn’t mean I would reject lgbt rights or support gutting welfare. But yes, generally stupid people seem to gravitate in the direction of conservatism or right.
PS. As a left leaning person, I also agree with Mill’s point about liberals but that is a different topic for another time.
Edit: autoco-wreck
The problem with this current sect of conservative cultists is that even though they claim to like those few halfway decent ideals, they actually don’t, because they give zero fucks when elected Republicans actively do the exact opposite, and conversely if a Democrat did what they claim to like, they’d be furious.
Maybe the closest sane conservative politicians in America are in Alaska. They are Republican for a long time but they have ranked choice voting, and universal basic income coming from oil revenue. I can’t remember the details but it was before the pandemic that both Republicans and Democrats agreed on a progressive policy, thanks to ranked choice voting that force politicians to compromise.
There is a small conservative Texan town that embraced renewable energy, which contradicts the stereotype that they are not progressive.
There are exceptions of course but if you sit down with both conservatives and liberals, both would actually find agreement on many things. It’s mainly that politicians intentionally divide people.
