I can’t remember which game it was (something on the Switch, so maybe a Nintendo game) where the game itself told you which button to press by showing four circles on screen (e.g. next to the speech bubble) and only one of these circles is filled out, so instead of a letter, you know you have to press the right button or whatever… I really like this design choice because it’s so intuitive
Playing games on pc and getting xbox button hints while using a Playstation or Nintendo controller is a special kind of frustrating. Like anything else, you get used to it, but I think I would like the position based hints you describe a lot better.
Just remap the controller so the letters correspond to the right spot on the controller
PlayStation uses different icons though.
Fair enough, forgot PlayStation was like that!
when I was learning to play poker we had the various hand rankings printed up on each wall so you could just look up to see the order.
This led to an amusing meta where you would see your opponent look at their hand, squint up at the wall and then raise and you knew you were hosed. This then led to bluff glancing at the walls before betting.
This then led to bluff glancing at the walls before betting.
God, I love it when things like this start to develop when playing games with friends. Especially when it’s a newer player, or maybe even the quiet person that starts doing it - the first time you catch on to someone pulling a trick like this is the best possible feeling of, “you son of a bitch!”
Leans over to neighbor, “hey I don’t think Tommy is very bright, he keeps looking up at the cheat sheet for a pair every time”
As someone who mostly uses an xbox controller and occasionally uses a switch, I could use this too.
First thing I did on my steam deck was to change it to Nintendo layout haha
anytime I switch systems it takes too long to remember the 4 right thumb buttons
I stopped playing totk partially because I kept hitting the wrong buttons. But the Switch has a way to remap them so I used that and it was still confusing somehow lmao
I did not know you could remap switch, may have to try that
Fr. That switch one pisses me off. I always press the button from Xbox instinctually.
Other way around for me. I was trained to use the Nintendo layout in 1991 and the Xbox one still annoys me since it’s what PC games usually use.
Yeah I never had Super Nintendo, had NES, 64, then switch, so by the time that button layout hit me, I was already used to Xbox. I also hate PlayStation as well. Shapes? What are we toddlers?
Happens to me too.
On steam, I have every controller that I might use mapped to the Xbox layout, just so that I don’t have to change my muscle memory.
Between PlayStation, Xbox, Nintendo and Nintendo again with the Gamecube, the X has been in all 4 cardinal positions.
I got so sick of getting confused switching layouts that I went and got GameCube layout joycons for my switch. I really liked the wavebird controllers.
Dude, I use a switch controller on my PC so I feel ya.
The analog sticks are literally impossible to start drifting. https://gulikit.com/productinfo/925509.html
As someone who switches between Xbox and switch pro controllers, the struggle is real. And I’ve been playing video games my whole life.
I used to call it the Zelda machine, but now that factorio is on Switch, I guess that isnt quite true any more.
I go between PS4 and a switch pro control often, and it’s not that they all use the letters / symbols for different buttons, it’s that Xbox and Sony agree what button position is used for what as default, enter, back, etc.
Nintendo breaks that symmetry, and put the enter button on A, so when I go to watch a movie on playstation I’m constantly exiting the menu because that position is O, the back button for Playstation.
Factorio is crazy optimized, but how well does it run on the Switch? It’s such an underpowered machine. I’m sure it’s fine early on, but massive factories can get slow even on the best PCs.
I’ve never played it on anything else so it’s hard to judge.
Only got it a month ago, and have only beaten the basic game once so far, though I’ve made what feel to me giant bases.
Haven’t noticed any slow down aside from when autosave is happening. Haven’t made the kind of monstrosities I’ve seen on youtube so I don’t know where the limits are.
As someone who has wanted to play it for ages I’m having a great time with it.
Reminds me of Kerbal Space Program on PS4, the controls are very complex for a controller, but they did a great job using multiple button shift functions to map a hell of a lot to the inputs available.
I forgot to get back to you. Two days later is better than never I guess.
There’s hidden settings in Factorio if you hold down ctrl+alt while clicking the settings button in the menu. There will be a box called “The Rest” which contains more settings. One of these is for non-blocking saves on Linux/Mac at least. It allows your game to save without freezing. I have no idea if it works on the Switch or how you’d get to it without a keyboard, but I think there’s a way. I know it doesn’t work on Windows, but no one ever mentions the Switch, only that it work on Linux and Mac and not Windows.
Switch and PS3 here. It’s just as difficult. Especially since the buttons for “proceed” and “return” in menu functions are reversed.
Yeah I really don’t understand why the hell they have to make it so different. Why do they need to distinguish themselves in this way? All it does is fuck up our gaming experience.
I think one of the early game systems got a trademark or patent or something for the button configuration. Iirc it was the SNES, but that could also just have been some adolescent bullshit kids told each other on the playground.
My girlfriend has gotten mad about this in the past. I’m like hold the run button then press the jump button. She would get angry and tell me to say which buttons those are. I would really have to think about it, when playing a game I associate a button with the function and forget which button is what.
Even that gets switched around sometimes. I hate it when games use the bottom button for run/attack and the right one for jump.
What button is it?!
I don’t know hold on! Pretends controller is in hand. Presses thumb hmmm left and down. Okay what console is this? Square and x? X and A? Whatever the hell Nintendo is?
Left and down buttons!
It doesn’t work!
Figure it out!
Is it just me or has someone gone through and down voted every single comment in here?
Edit: actually every Lemmy world post is showing all comments as having 0 points. Interesting.
There’s either a core contingent of professional haters, or there’s a single simple smarter-than-the-average Lemmy admin bot doing the downvoting, because I swear to god every post that’s on this site for more than a few hours gets at least one downvote.
Yeah everyone is just set to zero, no matter how innocuous the comment. So a bot makes sense
I’ll never get over Nintendo’s decision to not have the button letters alphabetical like Xbox controllers do (or even just use shapes like Sony). Whenever I play on my Switch, the Y X buttons almost always throws me off, heh. I know Nintendo is Japanese and they tend to write from right to left, so I’m guessing that’s how it ended up like that initially.
Edit:
Since a lot of folks are asking how they’re alphabetical, I simply mean A comes before B and X before Y. I’m not saying they’re alphabetical entirely (since if you read all of them clockwise/counterclockwise then it obviously doesn’t make sense), just on their own individual “lines,” e.g. X and Y are on their own “line,” as well as A and B. It’s not entirely logical when you think about it, but that’s just how I and a number of others think about it. It’s a subjective thing, I suppose.
Tbf hasn’t the ABXY layout of nintendo consoles been consistent since the snes days, predating xbox? Unless your argument is that you wish they flipped it for american consoles a long time ago or something.
Also that interpretation behind the ab/xy difference kinda blows my mind lol
Even the NES was B to the left of A.
Nintendo set the standard in 1990 with the SNES. Microsoft broke it in 2001 with the Xbox.
They set the standard with the NES in the 80’s. SNES was the second generation.
NES only has two buttons, but it did establish the “A on the right” norm. The SNES established the four-button diamond labeled A, B, X, and Y.
Ah that’s right. I forgot it was only a two button controller. I was just thinking about the A button.
When going counter clockwise starting from the bottom, the Xbox controller reads: A, B, Y, X.
It’s not alphabetical unless you’re reading it like a lightning bolt for some reason. If alphabetical is what you want, a mixture of both would be ideal, making it: A, B, X, Y.
Besides, Microsoft are the ones that changed the layout, not Nintendo. The confusion when switching controllers is likely by design.
Besides, Microsoft are the ones that changed the layout, not Nintendo. The confusion when switching controllers is likely by design.
Sony also made their bottom button the default “confirm/execute” button and the side right button the “cancel/backout” button. It just feels more intuitive to me.
I’ve been gaming since the late 80s, so I understand Nintendo was the “first” of the current 3 hardware sellers. Doesn’t change the fact that they’re the outlier now. And it’s not like their controllers have even had the same layout more than once, the SNES and Switch being the only two to share a relatively similar button layout.
the SNES and Switch being the only two to share a relatively similar button layout.
And the Wii/U pro controllers. And Wii U tablet. And the DS and 3DS.
Sony also made their bottom button the default “confirm/execute” button and the side right button the “cancel/backout” button. It just feels more intuitive to me.
Here to note that this wasn’t the way it was meant to be, on their controller, hence the common confusion you tend to get with a lot of games. I think it comes about as a result of them maybe trying to tread more of a line between the two, as, though we forget, there were more in the race than just nintendo, sega, and later, sony, back in the day, and nobody had really “settled” the layout. Sega, obviously, went for a layout that is basically opposite to nintendo. I don’t know if it’s purely a region locked thing, or if it’s a game-by-game sort of thing (which seems like a stupid move but whatever), but the button layout in america, for playstation, has tended to conform more to nintendo’s layout, than to sega’s. I dunno why, maybe it has to do something with the popularity of certain consoles to certain regions, or something along those lines.
In any case, O is originally meant to be confirm, the X is meant to be cancel, which I think makes slightly more intuitive sense, pictorially. The O is the positive, the X is the negative. Obviously, over time, this sort of became swapped based on region, and actually, the PS5 is the one in which it’s actually become universal that the O is the cancel button and X is the confirm button, for the japanese. Which is probably fucking infuriating, for them, I’d imagine.
Maybe you’re right on the Japan thing, I always thought it was about distance from your thumb. Like A is closest and most common, then B, and some games mostly only use those, and then X, Y, and Z are for menus or less common actions, and of them, x is closest to your thumb. Makes more sense on an N64 controller or GameCube controller, and then the switch controller is just keeping the letters as consistent as possible.
How are they alphabetical?
Holy fuck I’m not the only one. My partner and I watched The Last of Us and I wanted to play the game. He had it on his ps4, which I have never played. I made myself the same thing with the dumb ass square, circle, triangle, dodecahedron layout on the PS controller. He laughed at me too :C
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They learned on the MadCatz
To be fair, the commenter to whom you’re responding might have been engaging in hyperbole.
Maybe not. Just a theory. (But I was similarly confused)
Ho do you confuse an X for a dodecahedron?
As a guy who has been gaming for decades, don’t feel bad, I still look at the controller every time it says “Press X to do thing!” even thought I know by muscle memory what every button does, as soon as it references a button or keyboard key by name it’s like my brain just flows straight out my ears and I am suddenly an old grandma using technology for the first time, hunting and pecking for each lettered button.
You must be trolling her the buttons are swapped!
First off, genius and I don’t know why I never thought of this! So smart. So obvious.
Second, what game is she playing?
Looks like Mario Odyssey
It’s definitely Mario Odyssey. Also, I recommend it, it’s fantastic.
When I’m playing a complex game on the PC such as KSP or even something like Eve online I have tons of documents posted up to help me with navigating it.
Eve online sounds like real life simulator woth spaceships
Its cut throat corporate mixed with space battles.
Real life is EVE without space battles
Except for the the whole mortality thing.
Lmao after a few weeks let her play something on an xinput controller, just for the reaction
I don’t have this issue with playing PS and Nintendo games because PS wasn’t dickish enough to use ABXY in different positions like Microsoft. Everyone jokes about X being in all 3 layouts, but the PS one is actually called “cross” and doesn’t look like an X from a font, so I don’t get them mixed up.
I think I find myself wanting a little bit of a tactile dot or something on the button, so as to more easily intuit which one to press. You could even retain the switch’s ability to flip around the controllers, if you just put all the tactile dots on the outer radius of all the buttons. Like, put a little bump on the top of the top button, put a little bump on the bottom of the bottom button, etc. The only thing I can’t really figure out is how you might refer to that in a game, or refer to that visually in a way that makes sense, other than maybe just building that association over time. But yeah, having them be distinguishable tactily is, I think, a good idea.
If your plan was implemented a simple graphic of a circle with a dot in the corresponding quadrant would work.
Love.
