That’s much better.
Needs Colorado on there somewhere too. That place is a blue oasis surrounded by a sea of red bullshit states on all sides.
They elected Hoedirt Boebert… no entry.
You say “they” as if states don’t have different districts. Boebert came from a right-leaning district, but was so toxic she couldn’t get re-elected there. So she had to move to an even more right district in order to win.
Add to that she’s actually a transplant from Florida, and it starts to make sense.
Yeah. Her saying “don’t you know who I am!?” and flipping off the workers after getting kicked out for refusing to stop vaping indoors and near pregnant women and performing public sexual acts at a musical where kids were in attendance… That’s pure Florida.
And New Mexico! Please don’t leave us with those shitheads.
I guess we could go to Mexico and take Colorado with us. The border can cross us again.
Not to the south, NM is just as blue if not more so.
If I recall new Mexico is the only state that had a full Democrat victory this last election with not one republican winning a single seat so pretty blue
I propose we get CO and they can have WI, MI and PA
Hey take some cities as enclaves too. Blue cities in red states don’t deserve that kind of punishment.
What about the liberals in conservative areas? We all gonna hold off because they’re gonna get eaten by the dogs, too? What about liberal kids of conservative parents?
Just like now where they can all move to Massachusetts, under this plan, they can move to Canada
I think the red area should get alberta, maybe saskatchewan too. And I would personally like to see the Alaska pan handle transferred to B.C.
Realistically this wouldn’t be possible, at least in the way most people assume. It’s hard for people to just uproot their whole lives and move to another state (though it’s easier these days), a partition like this would mean leaving behind a lot of liberal minded people, who are too poor or too rooted in a place.
Eggs and omelettes.
So would the genocide be the eggs or the omelets?
Neither, but I suspect you know your argument is in bad faith.
It’s better to protect some people than none, and if that means balkanizing the US then that sucks for the blue islands in the Bible Belt but we are in crisis and that means triage.
Sounds like you are in a nice situation.
It’d be a lot nicer if Alabama wasn’t dragging it down.
On a family zoom call we were comparing house moves. My bro had the record at like 51 times he moved his house. One year he moved to Manhattan, then to Harlem, then to London.
It’s not hard, but it can be complex.
This is not just a simple house move, this is a whole on nation move, where you may never get to go back. There’s will be massive paperwork, a lot of uncertainty, chaos and pain. From my anecdotal knowledge on what happened in countries like west/east germany, north/south korea, india/pak, I can say that this event will be very stressful for a lot of people.
Especially if you have to move for your safety. You might have to sell your house for cheaper than what it’s worth, you might not be able to buy new land or find good renting opportunities. You might have to sell your business or close down. You might have to find new jobs, new schools, new everything. And some people just don’t want to leave their home, no matter how fucked things are, because there’s a chance they’ll never see it again.
This isn’t to mention, the pain that will come with such a divorce, the shame, and the lost hopes.
It’s definitely hard and complex. I think you are greatly underestimating how traumatic such a move would be for a lot of people (even if it maybe necessary).
Moves are a pain, the biggest part is you lose circles of support as in friends, colleagues, community. But moving itself, while sucking badly is not terribly difficult. I have moved from UK, to Ontario, now to BC and its probably 12 houses I have lived in so far. You start to simplify your belongings as you go, but starting fresh friendship connections is the tricky part.
Moving from one state to another in the US costs about $10-20k if you hire a service. If you pack and move everything yourself and rent a truck you can take that down to around $6-7k, but the physical labor involved is strenuous. For people who don’t have a lot of money or who are old or not physically strong, I think it’s reasonable to describe it as difficult.
I was talking about the divorce as a whole. It would have some very serious ramifications. Moving wouldn’t be easy, because you’d be doing so under a whole different set of circumstances than moving abroad for studying or for a job. It’s not just you, it’s everyone who wants to live a “liberal democracy” who would want to move and it wouldn’t be easy at all, imo.
Historically mass exodus aren’t fun.
We can have ChatGPT generate the paperwork. What could go wrong?
I have a garage filled with large power tools, my family and friends are all here and I own the land I live on. It’s hard and expensive to just uproot all that. For someone living an austere lifestyle it would be easier but if you’ve put down roots it’s much harder.
Illinois can stay.
What? No!
Okay, maybe everything more than 60 miles outside of Chicago can stay. Deal?
Nope sorry. Janesville has to stay too but we’ll take Madison and Milwaukee.
Fip off fips
I’m sure the sane people in those new Canadian provinces would want universal healthcare, but would they be willing to give up their guns? I think most of Canada is appalled at the gun violence in the US and would make giving up guns an unconditional requirement of joining Canada.
Deaths by firearm, per 100,000 people, are about 1/7 the number in Canada as it is in America.
America has over 200 school shootings a year. 2024 saw a near record with 330 school shootings.
Canada? 6 in its entire history. To get to the grand total of 9, you would have to include post-secondary institutions.
If you truly want to “think about the children”, firearm control comes wwwaaaaaaayyyyy before banning books and taking away lunches.
Alaska would join Canada at this point I bet.
Considering them petitioning to leave Oregon, I feel like eastern Oregon would be very upset about this
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Imagine.
Donald declares war on Canada.
Straight away all those states secede from the union and declare independence (States rights!)
Canada claims them all as allies.
TACO bell end Trump backs down.
States join Canada.
Donald declares war on Canada.
Minnesota is a solid blue state that deserves to join Canada as well
We’ve already petitioned Canada about adopting us since Trump was elected, and they responded positively! They consider us their favorite neighbor of all the border states. 🥰
Granted, it was a joke in response to Trump’s tariffs, but still… (Source)
You gotta out compete Vermont and Maine for that title. A solid 1/3 of homes I drove by had Canadian flags out in VT.
The Michigan/mid-west accent is straight up the stereotypical Canadian accent lol.
Sure, bud.
As a Canadian, no thank you. California and New York would swallow us and we’d become “liberal United States”
What about Alaska then? Or Minnesota?
Hey you could always move to Texas and enjoy a conservative life. Too hot? Alaska then.
I have a problem with the “United States” part not the “liberal” part
Considering how much of Canada is inhospitable, that math seems generous — not even bringing up Texas, Alaska, etc. 👀
Then California goes to Mexico.
ain’t no fucking way your carving that out and leaving Minnesota behind, we’ve been basically Canada for hundreds of years
Getting California would make Canada shift in identity.
Getting Minnesota would honestly make us even more Canadian.
Listen, you just want to annex lake Michigan and take Chicago as a part of the bundle, I won’t argue. Because at this point I’m begging
please take all of Michigan. Please please please.
Best we can do is Yoop…
:(
Sorry, buddy…
As an American, I suppose I’m getting used to disappointment.
hugs
In fairness there’s a bunch of our homies left out. Maine, Vermont, Minnesota, NY, on and on. Leave America the scraps.
Maintenance Vermont and NY are all on the map as having been annexed. But also, I think realistically, California could probably sustain itself for a good long while. It might be better off as trade partners than as a province of Canada.
Now we just need to link up with Canada to create a weird map avocado with a 'Murican pit.
Add in Washington state.
Except this is also how the “democracy” that is modern day Russia was created. Everything that’s happened in the U.S. since ~2012 that has been driving us to the brink of collapse by furthering the divide between left and right has been eerily similar.
Psychological Inoculation and Astroturfing: Preparing for exploitation of U.S. secession movements
A lot of people don’t know this, bc it’s not exactly clear what they were doing there, but coincidentally the Heritage Foundation also seemed to play a role in the creation of the first free market in the earliest days of post-soviet Russia.
thank you for not giving in to their rhetoric and letting this point die.
i get endless downvotes on all social media anytime i say a civil war is the absolute fucking worst outcome of any of the current trends.
guess people are just out for blood rn. i wouldn’t make it sound so innocent, tho. why are people out for blood? lots of answers, none satisfying enough.
Take an up vote from me. Civil wars nearly always end in tragedy beyond the imaginations of those who start them.
I believe the most obvious is they benefit (or at least believe they will benefit) from that outcome.
The Heritage Foundation is a society of monarchists. It’s supported by oligarchs who want to be king to push the world towards that agenda, and such oligarchs routinely infuse it with capital.
…furthering the divide between right and extreme right has been eerily similar.
Fixed that for you.
Do all the 19 year old Michiganders who drive to Toronto to drink mean nothing to you?
Why do we need counties at all? Why do we even draw borders to begin with?
Humans haven’t figured out how to live without laws yet. If you have laws, you have a region where those laws apply. Voila, countries.
Countries are just tribes that got bigger.
Why do tribes exist?
☝️🤓 Tribes are akshuly a logical outcome to the evolutionary pressures of social cohesion seen in species descended from pack hunters.
Administration is hard
Imagine
Beat me to it. 😉
I hate memes like this. Just fucking abandon people living in red states I guess. Just abandon purple states like my state. Fuck you too. If I could “just move” I would’ve.
People in red and purple states used their collective voting power to bring whatever is happening. You abandoned everyone by doing whatever you were doing when there was the time to do democratic choice, that was the time for righteous anger. Now it’s too late.
What a fucking ignorant thing to say. Fuck you. Because I live in the same state as a bunch of bigots you’re saying I should suffer? “That was the time for righteous anger”? I’ve been righteously angry for over a fucking decade. Seriously. Fuck. You. Fuck you for saying this stupid, ignorant bullshit. Fuck you on behalf of every trans person born into a red state facing discrimination, harassment, assault, and murder. Fuck you on behalf of every queer person forced to go to conversion therapy because they’re born to conservative parents in a red state. Fuck you.
Hey, fuck them.
Don’t let others ideas of who is part of their in group and who can be excluded get to your empathy. I am glad you have it even if you don’t see it from anyone else today ( and hopefully I am wrong and you see lots). For every person you give comfort to today for being a good person in a bad place I thank you on their behalf even if they don’t.Here in California we have more racist rednecks than several red states combined, they’re just outnumbered. State borders have nothing to do with where the actual split is, rural vs. urban.
If only you could spend a portion of this emotions on fight or flight. But alas.
But hey, not throwing stones here, I myself was born in Russia of all places, and I also spent first half of my life thinking that being angry online and trying to convince fellow countrymen that fascism isn’t great actually will do something. You’re only learning what “collective guilt” means, I was born with it, molded by it.Jesus Christ are you an arrogant son of a bitch. You literally push defeatism and nihilism on everyone while screaming at them for not resisting Fascism. Meanwhile, you ran away from your own country like a Coward and let Putin steal it from you. Your absolutely pathetic and nobody should be listening to you.
It’s almost funny how the second you encounter a critique you get defensively angry. You should talk about it with a therapist.
Pretty weak rebuttal bro. You have no points (let alone any values) to stand on and so you have to try to psychoanalyze me like some 13 year old kid on YouTube. Your so full of shit it’s hilarious. Your just a little bitch who ran from your own country when it got tough and now you want to laugh at people dying here because you didnt get your little handout. I have nothing more to say to evil scum like you. I am so glad you never made it into my country, because people like you are the reason why things got so bad in the first place. Good riddance and don’t come back.
You really should be ashamed of yourself for slinging this bullshit talking point around. Do you even realize how politically, culturally and ethnically diverse the South is? Houston is already one of the most diverse and progressive cities in the country. People are out there fighting not just a Fascist Federal govt, but also a Fascist State govt. Do you see them running or crying online? What have you done? You cant even stand with your supposed fellow countrymen because you are a coward through and through and want to draw lines on a map to make yourself feel better.
Houston might as well be red, from the voter suppression.
That’s the point though. They have to cheat to win. This isn’t a legitimate government we are dealing with here anymore. It’s a Chinese style one party state.
Do you see them running or crying online?
All the time, I watch one right now.
Houston is already one of the most diverse and progressive cities in the country
Tell me you’re from Texas without saying the word Texas.
You cant even stand
I’m not from your dumpsterfire of a country, I’m one of those undesirables that you collectively voted to never let in. It was mostly you, the southerners, so diverse you keep voting for the worst rightest candidate ever since the 3/5th compromise. I guess I need to thank you for that, otherwise I would’ve been right there with you, doing jack shit to prevent fascist uprising.
You know, you talk a lot for someone who claims they aren’t even from here but still feels entitled to erase the struggle and sacrifice of millions based on maps and caricatures. Your entire worldview hinges on flattening a country with over 330 million people into two colors so you can feel superior from the sidelines. I hate to break it to you, but that’s not factual analysis: Its projecting intellectual laziness.
People here and especially in the south, DO fight. Every day. How do you think we survived Decades of Slavery, Desegregation & Jim Crow? People out here have been fighting for their rights and their grandchildren’s rights far before you were even conceived. Have you ever fought for your rights? Have you ever even gotten out off your high horse to do something for the good of others?
Also, if your going to invoke the 3/5th’s compromise as some kind of rhetorical jab, maybe read a history book first so you don’t look like such an arrogant dumbass. That compromise was literally forced on Anti-Slavery delegates by the same Southern Plantation Owners that armed and financed the Confederacy. It was a tool of White Supremacy, not some grassroots Southern vote. Seriously, what is wrong with you? You think its okay to blame the descendants of people who were counted as three-fifths of a person for the crimes of the ones who did the counting. This goes beyond ignorance. It’s fucking disgusting, plain and simple.
But maybe that’s the point. Your not here to fix anything, and you wouldn’t have done anything good for this country if you came anyways. Your here to jerk yourself off while people suffer all while you pretend to hold some level of understanding. Just say your here to troll and fuck off, dude.
I feel like most people here don’t get this.
Man you’re a cunt I’m sure they’re happy to have you wherever you are
Glad to be far away from your southern hospitality.
You got called out, but instead of self-reflection you immediately went on angry rant.
Oh man, you’ve never heard of gerrymandering, have you…
I’ve heard of people who like to absolve themselves from all responsibility because the existential threat they’re facing is hard actually.
I’m trying to understand this point. I’m in a purple state. By definition, that means that we’re on the cusp of being either democratic EC votes or republican EC votes, as well as senators, governors and other state-level offices.
One of the (minor, but still there) reasons I haven’t moved is because my vote actually matters here. If I moved to a solidly blue state, I would be removing a blue vote and making my current state more red.
One of my largest fears is that we continue sorting all the democratic voters into a small handful of blue states and lock in a permanent minority in government due to how we allocate EC votes and allot power in the Senate.
If anything, we need the people in deeply blue states to migrate out into other places and help push our country towards actual balance. If we took 2% of the 2024 democratic Californians (9m Kamala votes vs 6m Trump, 2% of the 9m is 180k, and we could easily do this several more times) and they moved to a low-population red state like Wyoming, Montana or North Dakota (spot checking 2024 vote counts), they would have no EC impact in California, but would have guaranteed Senate seats and EC votes. They would also have huge power in their new local and state government, since the total republican vote count majority was less than that tiny portion of California.
I know this is a simplistic way of looking at the numbers and not the humans, but blaming someone in a red/purple state for staying there is just not helping.
Americans, in general, are incredibly apathetic about the elections. I don’t have exact numbers at hand, but every research that I saw indicates that very little amount of people actually vote in every general election, and there was like a single digit percent of people who both remember that locals, primaries, and general exists.
I don’t blame progressives in red states for failing against the crushing machine of authoritarianism, in a theocratic regime it might be outright impossible to win. I’m blaming Americans, all of them but especially progressives, for throwing away the unique mechanisms of democracy they had in favour of dreaming of firebombing a wallmart or yelling at strangers on the intetnet.
Ever since I become interested in the American politics, I can’t get away from the stream of anti-election rhetoric, that seem to culminate in, well, this.
You all are at fault proportional to your share of power that you didn’t use.As a description of the levels of power I personally have: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_boxes_of_liberty
I’m still at ballot box myself.
“Yelling at strangers [on the internet]” is the Soap Box, and while we’re pretty well past that as a country due to social media echo chambers and the like, it’s still useful. If there’s enough social pressure on a given topic, we can change policy. At the very least, being vocal (including online) lets other people know they are not alone.
I believe that we have effectively lost the jury box at this time. The supreme court seems to have abandoned rationality in a variety of cases to-date, and even in a best case, the judicial system works far too slowly compared to how fast new bullshit gets thrown at them by the current executive. Not to mention the cost to an individual average voter to try and sue would be prohibitive. Groups like SPLC and ACLU are helping here, but see point 2 (too slow).
I don’t need to defend myself, but I have voted in every municipal election I’ve been able to since my early twenties in 2004. About the only way I haven’t used my power here is by running myself, but I don’t think I’m qualified for public office and would only siphon money from someone better who might win.
That leaves us with the ammo box. For progressives in solidly blue states, whose votes were counted, but ultimately found irrelevant, this is the next step, hence firebombing tesla dealerships (Can’t find a recent walmart news article, but the idea is still there). In my purple state, I’m in my local precinct org and canvassing, but that doesn’t really help when the margin of victory for your party is like 20%.
I will acknowledge the point that Americans – in general – are apathetic. I have a significant amount of distaste for anyone who says they are ‘not political’ or who didn’t vote in 2024 or earlier. Sometimes though, you get a wake-up call after the fact. Anyone who didn’t vote or voted for trump in 2024, but is now pissed off has been awakened (dare I say, “woke”) and that should be celebrated, not derided. I love the leopards-eating-faces memes, but we really need to be reaching out to these people instead of mocking them. There is now a chink in their ignorance-armor.
You got a lot of anger in responses to your posts in this thread. The ‘in general’ phrase carries a lot of weight, but isn’t all that applicable here. This community is likely to be like me and very involved or at least informed. Phrases like “You are all at fault…” is going to raise hackles, even when clarified by ‘proportional to your share of power that you didn’t use.’
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There, FTFY
FTFY
Feel real bad for Illinois, Virginia, Colorado and New Mexico citizens.
And all the Democrats in the red states of course.
I don’t wanna be left behind in the failed states. But otherwise I approve of this message.
No, I dont like it … my state should be Canadian as well.
