• Fleur__@lemmy.world
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    Lol those losers at cern wasted hundreds of millions of dollars to find out that there aren’t frequencies that alter your energy while I only spent 36 dollars.

    Get real

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    Meh. Placebos affect people so, I let them have it.

    Edit: obviously not to the detriment of real remedies. Calmate

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      My mom died of cancer a few months ago because she was convinced that a combination of sunlight’s natural vibrational frequency and some expensive “medical” herbal teas would cure her. Placebos affect people, but if you let them believe that they’re an alternative to actual science and medicine, then they’ll use them as such.

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      you really haven’t thought this through, have you?

      Not only does this encourage scammers to scam people, which is itself obviously bad, but it also means that some people will buy these things instead of getting actual treatment.

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        If people are getting their medical advice from a meme post in a meme community on a link aggregator on the Internet, I doubt there is much that actual science, education, and common sense can do to help.

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    Short comment:
    Does the LHC explain emotions?

     

    Long comment:
    Perhaps there are other “forces” in the universe than physical forces. For example what is faith but a non-physical force? And yet it drives people to feel certain ways and do certain things. Same goes for love.

    Just like the placebo effect there are many things that affect a person internally even though externally they don’t appear to be doing anything.

    If something so simple as wearing a bracelet brings balance to someone’s troubled mind then I don’t see the issue nor do I see the reason to argue about it on the internet.

    Now, all that being said, these products are just a grift. We lost the plot when we went from
    “pretty rock that eases my mind because I get dopamine from looking at it”
    to
    “this rock has magical powers and you should buy it because of that”.

    Conclusion: people are allowed to feel spiritual and psychological connections with things and it is wrong to take advantage of those feelings for profit.

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    The premise is flawed. The LHC is looking for specific things, and it takes forever-and-a-day just to look much less decide whether the-thing-being-searched-for is there.

    The premise here is that the LHC found All That Is, and it didn’t find [magical-rock-mystery-waves] so pfffttthh stupid hippies.

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      Until we figure out just what dark energy and dark matter is, we can’t throw out there being a fifth force that the LHC isn’t even designed to detect in the first place but if you think that humans are affected by things we only tend to notice on the astronomical scale, you’re putting the cart way before the horse. The whole reason we can’t detect them is because they don’t interact with us.

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      Exactly. LHC also didn’t find that breathing air is good for you. I’m still not going to stop.

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    They recently found evidence that not only was Penrose right all along about quantum effects in the brain but there’s these crystaline things in your brain that do quantum shit, not very specific on all the details… but the first thing I thought was

    “Can’t wait for Spirit Science to completely and delibrately misinterpret this to sell more rocks.”

    Edit: Maybe I was jumping the gun a bit about claiming Orch-OR itself was proven

    Source on “Penrose was right”: https://youtu.be/xa2Kpkksf3k

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      I think you just did that as there is no experimental evidence at all to support Orch OR.

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          tl;dr Maxwell’s Demon is a thought experiment where an imaginary demon lets only hot molecules into a hot room and cold into a cold room (from each other), thereby violating thermodynamics.


          Maxwell’s demon, a thought experiment of chambers filled with hot and cold gas, connected by a microscopic trapdoor.

          Thermodynamics/statistics shows that on average hot particles will go from the hotter side to the colder more than vice versa, gradually evening things out. That’s increase of entropy (increase of ‘disorder’, because there’s less ‘order’ of the separation between hot and cold regions.)

          Maxwell’s demon sits at the trapdoor and opens it only for hot particles from the cold side to go to the hot side, and cold ones from the hot side to go to the cold side. So the separation gets more; entropy decreases. But the demon apparently isn’t increasing entropy elsewhere or expending non-negligible energy.

          Therefore violating thermodynamics which, I think Einstein famously said, is basically the only physical law you can be completely certain won’t be violated.

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            I think I’m too dumb to get it in general…

            But I do hope that one day we can rewrite all the laws of the universe and invent God, that’s the dream. To one day have a world where anything is possible. Till then we are stuck with the laws of physics.

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      OrchOR makes way too many wild claims for there to easily be any evidence for it. Even if we discover quantum effects (in the sense of scalable interference effects which have absolutely not been demonstrated) in the brain that would just demonstrate there are quantum effects in the brain, OrchOR is filled with a lot of assumptions which go far beyond this and would not be anywhere near justified. One of them being its reliance on gravity-induced collapse, which is nonrelativistic, meaning it cannot reproduce the predictions of quantum field theory, our best theory of the natural world.

      A theory is ultimately not just a list of facts but a collection of facts under a single philosophical interpretation of how they relate to one another. This is more of a philosophical issue, but even if OrchOR proves there is gravitational induced collapse and that there is quantum effects in the brain, we would still just take these two facts separately. OrchOR tries to unify them under some bizarre philosophical interpretation called the Penrose–Lucas argument that says because humans can believe things that are not proven, therefore human consciousness must be noncomputable, and because human consciousness is not computable, it must be reducible to something that you cannot algorithmically predict its outcome, which would be true of an objective collapse model. Ergo, wave function collapse causes consciousness.

      Again, even if they proved that there is scalable quantum interference effects in the brain, even if they proved that there is gravitationally induced collapse, that alone does not demonstrate OrchOR unless you actually think the Penrose-Lucas argument makes sense. They would just be two facts which we would take separately as fact. It would just be a fact that there is gravitionally induced collapse, a fact that there is scalable quantum interference effects in the brain but there would be no reason to adopt any of their claims about “consciousness.”

      But even then, there is still no strong evidence that the brain in any way makes use of quantum interference effects, only loose hints that it may or not be possible with microtubules, and there is definitely no evidence of the gravitationally induced collapse.

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    Now I’m just a humble weed farmer but I’ve seen “A Boy and His Atom” and it looks an awful lot like waves/vibrations to me. And I’m pretty sure some researchers have seen Lithium atoms collapse into waves near absolute zero. And we know that these waves and particles are effected by observation. And I’ve also smoked a bunch of DMT and eaten mysterious varieties of mushroom. That’s why I believe in m⛤gick.

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      I’ve smoked DMT and eaten plenty of mushrooms, and I don’t believe there’s anything supernatural. And if I did, saying it’s because of drugs would be a terrible argument for it being true.

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        I’m pretty sure you’re responding seriously to satire :)

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            It’s not, I’m a Chaote myself. Let these guys be content with the shadows on the wall. 93/93

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              Crowing about how you have special knowledge everyone else is too dumb to see is a sure sign of a crackpot.

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                Are they though?

                If not satire I think they are fully aware they are crackpot, hence why it sounds like sarcasm.

                Some kind of belief in absurdism? Like a “i 100% know this doesn’t make sense and i don’t care cause neither do you make sense and were both close enough to stay living” is a vibe i get

                I know similar views do exist but i cant actually tell with this guy.

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        I’ve eaten pounds of cubensis (in total) and smoked DMT until I couldn’t physically move my arm to take another hit. I’ve been on incredible, wonderful trips. But, just like you, I know it’s happening inside my brain. Truth is stranger than fiction for real.

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    People will shit on crystals believers in one breath and tell people to ‘respect other’s religion’ in another or gloat about their MBTI assessment. The cognitive dissonance is unreal.

    I don’t believe in either but at least I’m consistent. If you’re not, then you’re just finding an excuse to hate on a hobby that primarily attracts women.

    This is the same thing that happens to anything that women likes: pumpkin spice lattes, uggs, horoscopes, tarot cards, rose, etc. It’s seen as trivial and stupid no matter how banal the average person’s interest are regardless of gender.

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      Have you considered that there’s more than one person on the internet? One person can say one thing and another person say the opposite and no one has been a hypocrite.

      Anyway, I’d say we should respect people’s right to practice what they want, but we can still make fun of it. I probably would say don’t do it to their face, but that’s up to you.

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      Respecting others’ religions and crystals - I’d only recommend not using the fact they believe in things that don’t exist against them. No need to indulge them. No need to do things differently for their benefit.

      MBTI - in the workplace it’s pretty low value and low predictive power. Testing is unreliable. It’s easy to hit whatever set of letters you think are desired in your workplace with a little practice. In groups of MBTI fans it seems more useful, but those groups try very hard to place themselves into correct categories, and it does predict useful dynamics in interactions between people of different MBTI types.

      Hobbies that attract women - I don’t think that’s pertinent, where you see more women into crystals you see men more likely to believe in magic devices for cars.

      Belief in magic is pretty even between the genders and pretty common

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    This concept is just as dangerous as the right wing claiming LHC will open black holes. There’s an implication here that just as soon as LHC was turned on it suddenly gathered information about every unknown Force, particle, and energy in the universe.

    The Large hadron collider took 4 years to confirm the higgs boson; as of today it is only on its third data collection run. LHC is hardly a silver bullet.

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    Also, all the scientists “accidentally” making the same mistake as the BBC proves that intelligence doesn’t necessitate maturity 😉

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    The person with the crystals has already concluded, by faith or by doing large logical leaps, that those contain new energy.

    The scientists behind the LHC have to meticulously find evidence along the way before they can make a conclusion.

    They are not the same.

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    At this point people can believe in whatever they want as long as it doesn’t harm anyone else. Someone believing in a bunch of crystals and burning their money on them is a lot less harmful than other beliefs that I won’t mention.

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      I think there are many societal harms that arise out of enabling and enriching the types of scammers that abuse hopeful yet naive people. But social science doesn’t count.