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USA edition:
If you’re a billionaire: vote Republican.
If you’re not a billionaire: vote Democrat.
And either way, you still get to be poor. Great system we have here.
We didn’t need that.
For bills that are due on a regular basis but not monthly (car registration, oil changes, pet’s annual check up, HVAC check ups if you own a home, etc) - figure out how much each costs per year, add them all up, divide by 12, and set up an auto-transfer to a savings account for that amount every month. Don’t forget to include that amount in your monthly budget too.
This x100. I literally never worry about bills anymore.
Actually it’s x12
Invest in tennis balls. They have a high rate of return.
Serious version. Probably mostly US-centric:
Credit cards are a tool. Just like any other tool, they can be useful or they can cause damage when improperly used. Educate yourself on how to wield a credit card effectively.
Credit cards are a tool. Just like any other tool, they can be useful or they can cause damage when improperly used. Educate yourself on how to wield a credit card effectively.
What he’s trying to say is, learn to use them like ninja stars - shuriken. They’re sharp and deadly if scaled properly.
When I worked at Barnes&Noble as a teen (~2007-2008), my coworker and I would just whip gift cards around at each other. Was a good three months.
Maybe like nunchucks. Use them wrong and they’ll whack you in the nuts.
Inherit your wealth!
Look up how cumulative interest works, then start investing in ETFs or index funds that follow MSCI World or S&P 500 for example. Then wait.
It’s been 4 hours. What’s supposed to happen?
Line go up
Your returns start producing their own returns and eventually it snowballs.
You’re supposed to learn how to check back in a few decades instead of hours.
To add to this, also research ETF and mutual fund fees! Sooooo many are more than willing to charge a “small” 1% fee that will cost you thousands of dollars or more. Others are bold and charge even more. Look for fees in the 0.01% - 0.03% range for your trusty index and targeted retirement funds. Some even have 0%, though those harder to come by.
Have no social life, it’s much cheaper.
But in all seriousness, if you have to have a social life, limit your spending on that stuff. Restaurant and bar tabs can add up quickly. Budget, limit your drinking, and if you don’t wanna limit your drinking, at least do some cheap drinking at home first.
We used to drink a quart of cheap beer in the parking lot before we went to the nightclubs. We had spares in the trunk for later if we sobered up too much.
In order to save money, you have to start putting money back, even if you consider yourself too poor to save. Every time you get paid put $X aside and don’t touch it until it’s enough to do something with
If you don’t touch an account for 7 years, it disappears from your credit report. That means NO ACTIVITY at all. No usage of the card, no payments, no nothing.
There are some debts that this does not apply to, like school loans, but I know it works on credit cards.
Now, here’s the real world disclaimer. During those 7 years, your credit will TANK. You will have a hell of a time trying to finance a Happy Meal. If you have good credit, it will take another 5-7 years to get it back to where it was. But, if your credit is already trash, and you can’t afford to pay every bill, it is an option that could get you back within your means.
Is it ethical? I figure the system itself isn’t ethical, so stealing back from the ones who take advantage of others doesn’t bother me one bit, but I totally understand if someone would disagree.
The entire credit system is to keep undesirables from moving into “better” neighborhoods, to keep the po folk in their place - both geographically and socioeconomically.
Before the credit rating system, you better attend the Elks Lodge with your local banker and be an upstanding deacon at your church to get a loan. Being white and having a firm handshake is also a must.
At least the credit rating system is a game we can all play.
You will have a hell of a time trying to finance a Happy Meal.
I don’t know much about finance, but don’t do this!
You sure about that? I have a friend who thought that too but found out 7 years later that only a bankruptcy will disappear after 7 years, not just idle delinquint accounts. He needed to actually file for bankrupcy to make it go away. This was in Usa, NY; maybe it’s different other places.
As a second “data” point: I have some accounts on my credit report that have not been touched in a decade+ yet they are still there (they are not delinquent).
I don’t know why those situations didn’t work out, and without more details, I won’t bother to guess, but yes, I am sure because there’s a few utility bills and two credit cards with a couple thousand each from about 20 years ago that are no longer a problem for me.
That’s awesome! Just wanted to get you to take a second look in case you were as diligent as my friend but it sounds like you’re right, then!
Delinquent accounts without payment can be removed from your credit report by disputing with the credit bureau, with the exception of FEDERAL student loans. Filing for bankruptcy and having that on your record for seven more years seems like the worst possible way to deal with it.
Edit: in the USA
What are you disputing? You can dispute inaccurate or fraudulent marks on your credit.
Generally speaking, idle unpaid accounts like this are either sold by the creditors to a third party debt collector, resetting the clock, or they will sue you for the non-payment to get a judgment or lien, resetting the clock.
The only sure bet is bankruptcy, which will drop off your report after a period of time that varies from state to state in the U.S. (generally from 7 to 10 years). Not sure is this applies outside the U.S.
False. New debt collectors purchasing the debt does not reset the clock. Also depending on your state, debt collectors could be barred from legal action well before 7 years.
Edit: in the USA
🤷🏻♂️ Worked for me.
The real financial tip is don’t listen to people like this guy. “Trust me bro, you can rack up a ton of debt and then just never pay it off!”
I don’t recommend it, at all, it was a VERY long and difficult time for me to recover, but if you’re already at rock bottom, it can get better.
Use credit cards as cash, and pay off the balance weekly. This protects your bank account from fraud, as chargebacks and fraud are more easily dealt with on credit, and they tend to have better account monitoring and security than banks and credit unions. Even better if you have a cash-back/points card, that’s basically free money.
This also makes it easy to track spending if you have specific purpose credit cards. E.g, one card for groceries and gas, another for recurring bills or service payments, another for frivolous stuff, etc.
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Even if you have no other investments, open a high yield savings account and keep the bulk of your funds there, other than what you need for a general emergency fund and monthly bills. Current yields are over 4%, generally better than inflation, without any risk.
Got some bad marks on your credit, even a 30-day late ding? Dispute them, even if they’re legit.
Americans can request a free credit report every year, from all 3 credit reporting agencies. Mark everything negative as, “wasn’t me”. The debtor has 30-days to respond, if they don’t, fuck 'em, it’s off your record.
Worst case? They come back and say the challenge was verified as false. Oh well.
I really wish there was a personal finance community on Lemmy. Then reading that would be a good lpt.
I almost created one but I do not have the time or temperment to moderate a community that will likely get very big
If we could get 3 or 4 other people to agree to mod, I’m game
I was mod of a large personal finance community on reddit. I know very little about non US personal finance though.
We have a credit card that gives 6% cash back on groceries, 3% on gas and some discounts on streaming services. It blows my mind that every few months I can cash out a $200 or so credit towards my balance. I needed to buy those things anyway and have autopay set to the full balance each month so it really is free money. So if you can get one, absolutely a credit card that gives cash back. The one I mentioned is Amex Blue Cash Preferred but there other options out there that give other bonuses, like 2% back on everything or 6% back on something up to a certain cap.
Credit cards are an excellent tool IF you are responsible with credit.
And almost nobody is, or the credit card companies would be broke instead of trillionaires.
Cc companies make most of their money from the fees they charge merchants.
And they make a shit ton more money on interest charged for balances carried.
That’s literally the opposite of what I said. You can’t make “more” than “most of”. Christ this site is dumb
Definition:
More - B. In addition to
Yeah, it’s the site that’s dumb…
Blows our minds that yanks think they’re getting money back from a credit card company, rather than realising they’re handing the company extra money every time they use their card, and the company gives them a bit of it back after they’ve finished with it
Groceries cost the same with or without a credit card. The store is paying the card every transaction, not the user. Annual fee cards need more scrutiny and are often not worth it unless you’re playing the travel points game (and what a game it is). No card in existence is worth it unless you pay it off in full every month.
They even have non-cashback/points perks that are worthwhile, like rental car/travel/phone insurance. My family has saved hundreds with free phone insurance from a card. My screen stopped working, and I got a new one for $30 from an authorized repair joint, which otherwise would have cost like $300.
So, yes, cards do give you free money so long as you don’t hold a balance.
If you pay the entire statement balance every month then you don’t pay interest.
Yeah I’m Australian, I have a free credit card I live off all my money goes into my offset loan against my house and at the end of a 45 day cycle I pay off the credit card and have never had to pay a dollar towards it.
Over the years though I have gotten free flights and cash back etc.
Not always true? Hell, I have a credit card for 8 years and have-gotten big £ back. I pay £2 for it a month, but if I have two direct debits bank refunds it.
It literally is free money as long as you pay it off each month.
It boggles my mind how people fail to see it. If you’re bad in money? It ain’t for you. Interest can mount up but it doesn’t take that much self control to not blow 5k when you’re only taking 3k home.
If you’re worried about auto charges emptying your account when you need the cash for more immediate things, have another account where you can stash some money so it’s always accessible.
For example, this week I knew I was gonna get a big charge and didn’t have the $$ to cover it. But it was pre-authorized, and it was going to go through and put me to negative.
So I moved gas money (required for earning money) into my Chime account, so I could keep earning when my main account went negative.
If you can afford this…
…Whenever you’re at the store and make a debit card purchase with the option for cash back, get some back. $5, $10, $20…whatever. And put this into a rainy-day fund. You never know when you might need some quick cash or it’d be the make-or-break for a quick splurge.
Granted, I learned of this method from a friend of the family who used this method to hide money from her husband so take it with a grain of salt.
For me it’s a matter of my mentality. I have tried to get away from the spending mentality. As soon as you get money you start thinking of ways to spend it. You should be thinking of ways to save it. I usually try to think of something that is important to me. For me I like to go out and see the world. That means buying gas. If I spend $5 on a cup of coffee that’s about 20 mi I can’t drive. As others have stated you got all these streaming media sites and stuff. If you add that all up over a years time is quite a bit of money. You should get rid of anything you don’t need. There are two ways to have more money: Make more or spend less.
