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And this is why libs are made fun of for their feckless electoralism.
Try organizing and building mutual aid networks instead of just sitting on your ass and watching.
Maybe in 4 years you’ll be better prepared.
Nobody was leftist enough for anyone this election. It was a shit show of allies with differences, fighting and calling each other Nazis. They got played by Trump, the dumbest man on earth.
I’ve had to vote for a shit sandwich in 2 elections now, just because the other option was staying home and let the fascists racists win.
Somehow to Americans. Liberal became a worse thing to be than a Nazi. Meanwhile the rest of the world who uses the Term Liberal differently, is just scratching their head watching these idiots
If all you do is vote then you’re a big part of the problem.
Victims are too white…
I’m not watching
If you are from the US and you criticized people living under authoritarian regimes for not rioting hard enough, this is your time.
You still have it easy. You won’t be taken into prison for standing with a piece of blank paper. You won’t be beaten with batons and taken into custody for reciting Constitution. Yet. Go ahead before it gets there, and may you never see a true authoritarian horror.
Otherwise, all your words are not worth a dime.
The left couldn’t be bothered to vote but you think they’re going to riot?
It would have maybe been mobilizing if the election was closer, or if the Dems at least won the popular vote by 5 million again… but this defeat was thorough enough to absolutely crush the morale of anyone who leans even a little bit left. Why should I waste my time and money supporting progressive policies when some people won’t even do the bare minimum to prevent Republicans from establishing a stranglehold on our government and institutions?
If the accelerationists thought that sitting out and handing the election to Trump was going to mobilize the left I’m afraid they’re going to be disappointed. You say there’s still time, but is there? I used to think the “Trump is a fascist” rhetoric was hyperbole until J6 happened, now the proof is on video. Just engaging with these posts on a leftist site could be getting me onto a McCarthy-style blacklist that would prevent me from getting a job.
There’s also a chance that the DNC still won’t get the message and we will do it all again in 2026, 2028, and so on. I guess beatings will continue until morale improves.
What would rioting do though besides serve as an excuse to ram in fascism
If it’s not gonna happen, more fascist measures will be introduced - without people’s hesitation outside Internet comments.
A solid organized riot does change the course even for most authoritarian governments, even if they happen to suppress it eventually. Politicians should feel that their position is not as solid as they would like.
But the further people prefer to not intervene, the more entrenched authoritarians become and more draconian measures are implemented. As such, the government is strongly interested in making people think rioting doesn’t help. This is part of many authoritarians’ playbooks.
55% of your countrymen chose fascism. If you don’t want fascism I think it’s time to leave.
Technically it’s not a full 55% of my countrymen, just 55% of the ones who bothered to vote. I’ll admit that’s not really a meaningful distinction though. Unfortunately, there’s also more of us who want to leave than the rest of the world can reasonably handle. I hope as many marginalized people can get out, because it’s going to be bad, especially for them. But those, like me, who are unlikely to be directly targeted due simply to being lucky enough to be born straight, white, men should probably leave those limited seats for those who truly need to leave.
Let me just leave this here:
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.— Martin Niemöller https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_…
I do not mean to accuse you of staying silent, but please remember: no one is safe from fascism once it is there.
Absolutely agree. I’m only talking about the fleeing the country part. Those of us who can stay are going to have to put in a lot of work, speaking out against fascism, protecting those who cannot flee, and being generally rebellious against tyranny.
If anything those of us who happen to not be directly in their crosshairs have a greater responsibility to speak out for the groups that are going to be targeted, because it could quickly get to a point where it’s dangerous for those marginalized people to be as vocal. We cannot leave the most vulnerable to fight alone for their right to exist.
People that didn’t vote, didn’t bother either way, so my point still stands.
Except those people tied themselves to the track and started the train themselves… Completely voluntarily.
Unfortunately not true, a lot of people who didn’t vote for Neofascism will also suffer.
there’s nothing neo about this, let’s not even give them the credit of originality. This is exactly what happened 100 years ago.
Right down to the rally at MSG, next comes the night of long knives
Whilst screaming make America great again as the trolley (s) keep going
I mean you could also take the “don’t buy from US based corporations for 1 year challenge” starting january 1st 2025. Stock up on any corporate goods you need now then buy nothing for a year.
The pandemic market rallied because of a bailout after consumer spending plummeted. Would be a shame if the same thing happened and suddenly there was no emergency for a bailout to sail under.
They won’t have time and energy for persecuting people if the economy is broken.
Record/pirate a bunch of movies/shows then cancel streaming for a year. Buy any electronics now before the tariffs start. Buy surplus canned food etc. Then see how little you can spend the entire year of 2025. Planning on doing tourist stuff inside the US? Don’t. If you work at a big corporation consider deleting an important email and see what happens.
Lets fuck around.
Organize. Sabotage. General strike. Protest. Political action isn’t one day every four years.
The problem is you need violent insurrection against the system not a group of race. But the system is in control of communications and knows everything we’re saying, so there’s nothing you can do but protest, which does literally nothing
I wonder how many fellow lefties work for Xitler’s empire who are planning sabotage ops. As long as the payload wasn’t humans, watching a SpaceX rocket spectacularly fail would put a smile on my face, knowing that silent resistance is in motion
Turn that bolt just a few degrees to the wrong direction
Syntax errors? WOMM
LFG, burn this mother fuckers scam empire to the ground
We’ll make it to Mars on our terms, once we have a home to return to
I had a chance to buy a Tesla. Chose not to. Chose a Volvo instead. All heroes don’t wear capes.
Hmm. I should buy a cape. Hey Google, remind me to buy a cape.
Yup. Robert Reich posted something that ended with “Take a moment to breathe, then let the resistance begin.”
And like, buddy, I’m sorry to say, if your resistance is only just beginning, then you are resisting the wrong thing and you will be ineffective. You should be fighting the entire empire, not just the unmasked pieces of it.
The election is your chance to ask for your preferred enemy, but if you don’t get it, your job doesn’t change.
This metaphor has always been poor. Trains are locked on tracks. Harris’s campaign could have steered away from biden and his low approval rating, distance from the voters, and genocide, at any moment she wanted to. She wasnt locked on tracks. She chose to steer toward the right the entire last month of her campaign, losing a trickle of voters from her base every single day. She chose to steer away from addressing peoples complaints about reduced buying power instead of sympathizing with them. She chose to say she’d put republicans on her staff if elected, and listen to their ideas. She chose to take the AIPAC bribes. She wasnt at all locked on tracks and being forced to take that money. No one did this TO her. She did it to us.
Pretending she had no choices in order have someone else to blame for her choices is a really unfortunate takeaway, and dooms the party to continuing to think in ways that will lose. The massive unpopular – historically so even-- incumbent lost. Thats what happened.
Can we stop pretending this election was about Gaza?
It was about Gaza for a lot of us. Shall we stop pretending it was about the economy either? Shall we stop pretending Biden had some of the lowest approval polls on record for a president going into reelection and that Harris couldnt put together any departure from Bidens ideas? While we’re at it lets all pretend Biden was one of the all time greatest presidents, regardless of his approval ratings.
Any other realities you want us to “stop pretending” about, in order to make you feel better?
If you haven’t voted for Harris because of Gaza, congratulations. You sealed the fate of the remaining people living there. The US will increase their support and Bibi will feel more confident than ever. Palestine may be wiped out all together.
It doesn’t fucking matter that Harris isn’t everything you want from a president. She’s far from perfect. I don’t like her policies. The reality is that it was a choice between a conservative and a fascist. America chose fascism and the world will suffer.
Being a leftist and not voting because LoW aPpRoVaL is unbelievably irresponsible and I refuse to make excuses for people who stayed home.
You sealed the fate of the remaining people living there.
You have no data at all on that-- thats just a self serving hope to service your political ends. Biden let the zionists do whatever far right warcrimes they wanted, whenever they wanted, as much as they wanted. He didnt even defend the UN, journalists, aid workers or the Americans killed there. He continues to actively break the Leahy laws amongst many others. I am hopeful that since Trump and his followers are antisemites, maybe he wont be as bad as Biden/Harris. See? I can have self serving hopes exactly the same as you can.
All Biden/Harris offered were words that didnt match their actions and toothless red lines that were memory holed when Netenyahu laughed at them and bypassed them. Other presidents ended the same events with a simple phone call. So your painting of Biden/Harris as supportive of Palestinians is over the top ridiculous.
I’m also hopeful that some president after trump will sign onto the ICC treaty so we can ship Trump and Biden to the Hague for the prison sentence they are so richly overdue for.
If only you heard the voices of the people you campaign for, instead of deciding what was best for them from your computer…
Most likely, you’re on the track.
I’m Canadian, but I think after next year I’ll be on our own track, only with a slightly smaller and less effective train
But there’ll be a friendly announcement apologizing to the people about to be run over, right?
I tried to pull the lever but lost to all the people pulling the other way.
It wasn’t even exactly that. It was MILLIONS of people who voted Democrat previously just sitting this one out. I don’t think there are 15 Million “Gaza or bust” voters so this was just pure ignorance…
“Trump is horrible, but the Democrats made inflation. I’m not voting for either.” (Conveniently forgetting COVID and the necessary cash injection that helped keep people paying bills on time and kept businesses afloat to be there to rehire when lockdowns ended.) Ignorance…
Not that it was perfectly executed by any stretch of the imagination, but the alternative was everyone “non-essential” goes broke and businesses everywhere collapse. There was no world where we just didn’t do lockdowns, we don’t have the luxury of hindsight when something new happens obviously. We probably didn’t need the lockdowns because COVID spread regardless :(
Yeah, I would be utterly shocked if the Gaza issue lost her that many votes.
It’s utterly detestable how short voter memory is.
Hey now, you cannot blame voters. Only rage into the void about Democrats, that’s the only thing that can help. I mean it clearly worked before, right!? /s
Source: many Lemmy users.
Down the street, a guy’s house burned down. Of course, we all blame him for it - and his failure to find a message that resonated with the firefighters, to motivate them to come save the building.
Lol I hate that your analogy made me laugh because it’s awful but all I have else to do is cry, so thanks?
Crassus approves.
I don’t think there are 15 Million “Gaza or bust” voters so this was just pure ignorance…
I believe there were 15 million "oh look, Harris is besties with Liz Cheney and continuing the half assed approach that Dems keep doing so who fucking cares’ people. I totally see why her poll numbers kept dropping over the course of her campaign after a strong start.
I still voted for her, but at that point is was just another vote against Republicans.
All these people on these threads blaming it on the voters when Harris had it in her power to run a different campaign is just lazy. Harris not only had a brake she could pull to stop the “trolley”, she had a damned steering wheel to steer completely away from running people over, and she made a choice not to. Dont blame the peasants for shit leadership.
Every single swing state lost. Both congress and the house lost. Thats a badly out of touch party, not stupid voters.
I think that takes more thought than even those who vote with us do. I think we seriously overestimate the political intelligence of the people in this country. Not to say 0% were those people, but if we’re talking millions I think we’re talking about typical ignorance.
I think the vast majority vote D for social issues, but once their pocketbook gets hurt it’s time to sit it out or worse “punish” the party in power by voting for the opposition. :(
So they thought through what it means to associate with a Cheney, but at the same time didn’t care enough to do anything about this situation? I don’t buy it. Apathy lost this election. And democrats share blame for that obviously, but acting like voters were right to stay home isn’t the right takeaway.
You will never admit that moving to the right has failed.
And democrats share blame for that obviously, but acting like voters were right to stay home isn’t the right takeaway.
Agreed, which is why I still voted despite sharing the same demotivation.
Hey, so the 15 million thing isn’t true. That was the number before all of the votes came in. She actually gained votes in battleground states, but lost them in non-battleground states (states that didn’t really matter). Just a heads up. We need to be using facts here (not trying to attack, just trying to get that information out).
You’re right but it’s 12 million less than Biden got so your not really establishing anything other than the number was a little less in the final tally. Everything they said is exactly right with 15 million or 12 million.
I appreciate the correction!
There was no world where we just didn’t do lockdowns
Maybe the world where Trump implemented the pandemic response plan that Obama left for him. But, no, we got Mr. Inject-Bleach-And-Shove-A-Lightbulb-Up-Your-Ass.
And-Shove-A-Lightbulb-Up-Your-Ass.
At least then they could say they had a bright idea!
…I’ll see myself out.
We probably didn’t need the lockdowns because COVID spread regardless :(
Gee I wonder why that happened. Couldn’t have been this
the inflation is worse than that. trump droped rates from obamas 3 or 4 percent to zero before covid. I repeat before the covid emergency which is when you might drop them a percent or so.
The little engine that could
Yep. I’m focused on looking after my community/friends who have targets on their back now.
Other than that I look to republicans and say “alright, this is all you now. Better be perfect!” They shouted and screeched that their way was best. Their god is in the seat. Time to deliver a “great economy”
this is why I’m doing the “buy nothing 2025 challenge.” Would be a shame if consumer spending went down in january and sparked a panic.
If my stupid family members is any indication, by “great economy” they mean they got one or two paychecks in the mail during Covid: “He made me rich!” Yes he did, you minimum wage slave.
oh I guarantee that to hear them tell it, it will be perfect.
And I will look upon their debt, multiple part time jobs, and falling apart rental and nod.
Me @ them:
Minus the violence, yeah I’m with ya
The only thing is the viewer should be tied to the track.
DNC leadership should be tied to the track.
I agree. Its time to stop this two party system and just have the one that everyone likes better anyway.
Issue polls show that everyone wildly approves of progressive policies but they hate progressive people. If you can solve that I’d vote for you for president.
Unfortunately I can’t. Im one fo the idiots who votes for more porgressive policies (who might win) vs less and could care less about what someone is like. Don’t get me wrong. obama was so effing amazeballs when it comes to what I would want a president to be if you are not concerned with how they run the country. Educated, well spoken, organic garden in the whitehouse with a michael stipe looking chef making beer and mead. I mean wow. But biden still blows me away with what he accomplished in an incredibly adversarial situation.
Eh, he might be a cis het white Christian who hates what’s going on?
Me. I have a sense of building survivors guilt as I watch my LGBTQ+ friends panic. I’m offering them support but I am aware that I can personally avoid being targeted and it pisses me off. Why should I get to be relatively okay while my friends suffer an incoming genocide? The thoughts that come from that feel self destructive. Like hurting myself just to prove I had something to lose. In reality the best thing I think I will be able to do is help my friends under all circumstances and go from there. Maybe join my local Socialist organization to assist in a larger assistance for the coming years. Idk man.
Thing is that when things are done well everybody basically wins and when done poorly everyone does poorly. just not in equal measure. maybe he would have a pinkie tied to the rail.
I think it’s fitting. He himself would be physically fine whilst everything collapses around him when the floor drops out.
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From your moral high ground knowing you didn’t vote for genocide
You sure showed us who’s in charge of the party. And didn’t give a shit about anything else.
Voted for Harris, btw.
I’m not trying to argue, but I honestly don’t follow. Do you mean the DNC?
If you think like this, seek help
I think previous poster is being critical of the moral high grounders that just sold the planet out, not actually supporting that shit.
SpongeBob “We did it, Patrick!” meme energy.
Looking at their comment history, they don’t appear to be a dipshit.
You might be right. Thanks
They’re right. I was being critical of abstainers and third-party voters that refused to vote for Harris for moral reasons, allowing a far more immoral person to become President. Sorry if my comment was unclear.
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Huh, that’s a really bad analogy. It would rather be the case that the track drives over the one person in both cases and just over the five additional ones if you do’t turn the track.
This will be everyone in Gaza when rapey gets in power.
LMAO. Do you really think that? You have the moral inferiority because you are part of the reason for the pain and terror getting much worse, both in Gaza and for every minority in the US. A direct consequence of you and your likeminded’s actions.
I was attempting to criticize the people who simply couldn’t vote for Harris for moral reasons, leading to a lower turnout than Biden in 2020, and allowing Trump to win.
I somehow failed to convey my point with that comment. Sorry for the confusion.
