For all your boycotting needs. I’m sure there’s some mods caught in lemmy.ml’s top 10 that are perfectly upstanding and reasonable people, my condolences for the cross-fire.

  1. !memes@lemmy.world and !memes@sopuli.xyz. Or of course communities that rule.
  2. !asklemmy@lemmy.world
  3. !linux@programming.dev. Quite small, plenty of more specific ones available. Also linux is inescapable on lemmy anyway :)
  4. !programmer_humor@programming.dev
  5. !world@lemmy.world
  6. !privacy@lemmy.world and maybe !privacyguides@lemmy.one, lemmy.one itself seems to be up in the air. !fedigrow@lemm.ee says !privacy@lemmy.ca. They really seem to be hiding even from another, those tinfoil hats :)
  7. !technology@lemmy.world
  8. Seems like !comicstrips@lemmy.world and !comicbooks@lemmy.world, various smaller comic-specifc communities as well as !eurographicnovels@lemm.ee
  9. !opensource@programming.dev
  10. !fuckcars@lemmy.world

(Out of the loop? Here’s a thread on lemmy.ml mods and their questionable behaviour)

  • AnyOldName3@lemmy.worldEnglish
    20·
    21 days ago

    OpenMW’s official Lemmy community has been on lemmy.ml since 2021, way before lemmy.world existed (and most other instances, too), and way before there was any inter-instance drama. It’s becoming increasingly likely that it’s not going to be a suitable long-term home, but we’d be much happier if we could migrate the existing community rather than start from scratch with a new one. Is there any way to do that yet?

    • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
      14·
      21 days ago

      IMO organizations should self-host their official communities. If you’re going to move, it ought to be to something like !openmw@lemmy.openmw.org.

      In addition to the obvious benefits of having admin control/being able to avoid moderation drama imposed by others, it also means you could have more than one community: maybe !openmw for general discussion, plus !modding, !development, etc.

      • seaQueue@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        20 days ago

        +1, larger community projects really should try to spin up their own Lemmy hosting on whatever infra they already have for message boards

    • barsoap@lemm.eeOPEnglish
      7·
      21 days ago

      but we’d be much happier if we could migrate the existing community rather than start from scratch with a new one. Is there any way to do that yet?

      Migrating content over should be doable by a sufficiently tech-savvy admin, subscribers, I don’t think so.

        • Richard@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          21 days ago

          Principally it is possible if you can iterate over all the posts and comments and inject them into the database of their new home.

          • Aniki 🌱🌿@lemm.eeEnglish
            5·
            21 days ago

            That wont work at all. Each subscriber needs to get the update which is not a feature of Lemmy at the moment. Simply injecting posts will only copy over content.

    • Jelloeater@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      20 days ago

      We love to be the home of smaller communities, but for sure, any larger ones should look into running on their own setup. If you need help, drop us a line!

  • Lvxferre@mander.xyzEnglish
    14·
    19 days ago

    The way that I see it, the issue with lemmy ml’s administration and moderation is not quite political in origin. It’s about transparency; and I think that this wall of text that I wrote about how lemmy dot ml handled ani.social shows it well, as the dispute in question was not political in nature. (I can abridge it at request.)

    With that out of the way, most of your suggestions boil down to “use lemmy.world instead”. I don’t have anything against LW’s administration, but I think that it’s foolish to concentrate people and activity there even further, it defeats the point of a federation. That instance is already 40% of the MAUs, and hosts the largest comms using Lemmy.

    • barsoap@lemm.eeOPEnglish
      7·
      19 days ago

      With that out of the way, most of your suggestions boil down to “use lemmy.world instead”.

      It’s where big replacement communities happen to be, that’s all there is to it. Avoiding centralisation is a good thing in general but “tired of .ml mods? Here’s alternatives” isn’t the right time to go for it I think. Maybe the admins can come up with a scheme to round-robin disable community creation or something, to spread things out. Also, community migration is in the pipeline software-wise that would help a lot.

    • DefederateLemmyMl@feddit.nlEnglish
      4·
      19 days ago

      The way that I see it, the issue with lemmy ml’s administration and moderation is not quite political in origin. It’s about transparency

      Well it’s really both. The issue is the combination of a number of factors which on their own would be fairly easy to deal with, but put together they are very problematic:

      1. The admins are political extremists
      2. lemmy.ml has a very prominent position in the lemmyverse, because they were first and got a headstart
      3. The admins are actively using their position to heavily police discussion according to their extremist political views. The fact that they’re not being transparent about it is aggravating, but not the root problem.

      This prominent position of lemmy.ml is the fundamental difference with the hexbear or lemmygrad situation. Those instances can easily be contained at the user level: most people can just block and ignore them entirely because nothing interesting happens on those instances for non-extremists. Not so with lemmy.ml, which hosts a number of large bona-fide communities.

      So I think it’s necessary to make a concerted effort to reduce lemmy.ml’s prominence in the fediverse, so that political extremists can’t put their thumb on the scale to nudge discussion in a certain direction. Part of that effort is raising awareness about lemmy.ml’s nature, which is what this PSA does, but that likely won’t be enough due to network effect. It will take more to get people to move their communities to other instances. If other large instances, like lemmy.world, would block lemmy.ml that would provide a real stimulus for a large amount of people to move away from lemmy.ml.

      With that out of the way, most of your suggestions boil down to “use lemmy.world instead”. I don’t have anything against LW’s administration, but I think that it’s foolish to concentrate people and activity there even further

      I agree that spreading out more would be desirable, but on the other hand “just use lemmy.world instead of lemmy.ml” is a very simple and practical suggestion to move away from ml.

    • GamingChairModel@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      19 days ago

      I think that it’s foolish to concentrate people and activity there even further, it defeats the point of a federation.

      It defeats some of the points of federation, but there are still a lot of reasons why federation is still worth doing even if there’s essentially one dominant provider. Not least of which is that sometimes the dominant provider does get displaced over time. We’ve seen it happen with email a few times, where the dominant provider loses market share to upstarts, one of whom becomes the new dominant provider in some specific use case (enterprise vs consumer, mobile vs desktop vs automation/scripting, differences by nation or language), and where the federation between those still allows the systems to communicate with each other.

      Applied to Lemmy/kbin/mbin and other forum-like social link aggregators, I could see LW being dominant in the English-speaking, American side of things, but with robust options outside of English language or communities physically located outside of North America. And we’ll all still be able to interact.

  • merthyr1831@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11·
    20 days ago

    There’s also all of these communities on Reddit if you’re truly unhappy that the volunteer owned and run social media you signed up for isn’t being astroturfed with US-Israeli state press releases.

    • suction@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      19 days ago

      I mean it’s obviously run by Russia so anything that makes people realise you can’t trust anything that comes out of it is good.

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
    10·
    21 days ago

    We getting one of these a day now?

    If you don’t like it, petition your admins (via posts on your own instance) to defed.

    If they don’t want to, find a new instance that does, or stay and block their instance so you don’t see their subs.

    If you want to build up alternatives, post and comment so they’re more active.

    I just don’t see the point of these posts when most Lemmy users have been around for a while and know what lemmy.ml is like by now.

    Be the change you want to see, post in those communities yourself instead of these daily announcements threads on an instance that’s already defederating apparently

    • barsoap@lemm.eeOPEnglish
      22·
      21 days ago

      Lemm.ee will not defederate over tankie mods, there’s a specific policy. As to the change I want to see: Guess what I did just before I posted the list, go through all my subscription and clean it of lemmy.ml.

      I very much doubt there’s going to be one a day, these kinds of things tend to ebb and flow. Also it would’ve been much faster to ignore this thread than to reply.

      • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        21 days ago

        Ok?

        So if you disagree with their policy enough, you can change instances.

        Or you can stay, and build up those alternative communities instead of asking people to do it for you.

        Like, the logic behind this isn’t difficult, and I thought you’d be able to grasp it.

        That’s why I bothered to reply, instead of just blocking you. Same chance I gave some of the lemmy.ml subs before blocking their instance.

        You’re handling it about as well

        • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          21 days ago

          So if you disagree with their policy enough, you can change instances.

          You can move your home instance where you log in? Explain how. That was going to be one of things I suggest you could do in future updates.

          Not that I would move right now. I’m happy on Lemmy.World but I’d like the option.

          • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
            5·
            21 days ago

            You can move your home instance where you log in? Explain how.

            I mean. Since you asked so politely…

            You can export your settings in a .json file, then create a new account on a new instance an import your settings.

            But like, you need to try and be better when you’re asking people for help.

            • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              19 days ago

              But…why? Whats the advantage of reddthat over lemmy.world?

              Also, when I saw Homer I thought it was going to be him saying “Oooooooooo!!! Explain how!”

              Which nobody seems to have gotten my reference…the other guy even got offended.

        • Aniki 🌱🌿@lemm.eeEnglish
          4·
          21 days ago

          Not everyone wants to block the clowns. I enjoy the show.

          Oh it’s givesomefucks, the other clown!

    • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
      16·
      21 days ago

      I just don’t see the point of these posts when most Lemmy users have been around for a while and know what lemmy.ml is like by now.

      I got here about a month ago. I only found out what lemmy.ml was like BECAUSE of these kinds of posts.

      • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        21 days ago

        You should read the sidebar’s at least, they’re heavily biased, but upfront about it.

        It’s been their safe space longer than most other instances have been around. It’s also a good idea to look at modlogs when coming across a new sub/instance.

        Not everything shows up there though. Like if someone is banned and has all their content removed, it won’t all show up in the log. But when individual comments are removed, it’ll show you what was said.

        Don’t just assume everyone online will be upfront about their biases

    • Blaze@reddthat.comEnglish
      11·
      21 days ago

      these daily announcements threads on an instance that’s already defederating apparently

      Where has LW announced that they would be defederating?

      If you want to build up alternatives, post and comment so they’re more active.

      Which is what they are trying to achieve by promoting those communities in this post?

      • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        21 days ago

        Where has LW announced that they would be defederating?

        People kept saying it one of the recent daily threads people have been making.

        Which is what they are trying to achieve by promoting those communities in this post?

        You think posting repetitively here is the same as:

        If you want to build up alternatives, post and comment so they’re more active.

        How does that make sense?

        But if you want to move discussion off their communities make posts in those alternatives. That would actually do something.

        These posts are Susan G Kommen levels of difference making…

  • PolydoreSmith@lemmy.worldEnglish
    9·
    20 days ago

    So, I’ve been on lemmy.world since I joined last year and everyone’s saying it’s too big. Lemmy.ml is the next-largest so I’m conflicted. What do?

  • Mastengwe@lemm.eeEnglish
    9·
    20 days ago

    Love seeing this happen. That shithole needs to be defederated. The mod logs are FULL of butthurt mods banning people over and o Ver again for violating the Don’t Post Shit We Don’t Like rule, or… “Rule 1” to everyone else.

  • corymbia@reddthat.comEnglish
    8·
    20 days ago

    “Asklemmy.ml” just asked about if anyone had been at any important event televised events.

    Mmmm. Guess what.

    I mentioned Tiananmen Square 1989: INSTA-BAN!!!

    It would be funny if it wasn’t such a horrible thing.

    • StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      19 days ago

      I like to think that a lot of the more “Reddity” Reddit refugees from .world, those who tend toward pearl clutching theatrics like these posts, will eventually head back to Reddit. Maybe they’ll find their perfect alternative, where there are no dev or admin issues and everyone has a comforting (for them) center-left to center-right, Western ideology driven political stance that never challenges their preconceptions.