Cutouts for farm equipment. I guess John deer got ahold of the legislature
Either that or they felt they’d lose the fight where John Deer pulls out of Oregon.
Fuck yeah, and fuck any company that does that shit
I.e. Apple
That’s the first one that came to mind. They started every shitty trend in the industry
Is John deere exempt?
Nah, fuck those mother fuckers. As a former farmer myself, I can tell you that fixing my own shit was an almost life or death situation. I can’t just leave my crops without my machines more than a day. Shit needs to work right away. I used to grow rice and it needed constant flow of cold river water for 6 months straight
up. I had two diesel water pumps on the river, one is running 24/7 and the other is back up in case the other broke. If that shit broke and I waited for a day or two without giving the rice cold water, it all dies. Completely diesYep, according to the article, they have a strong enough
lobbybribe machine to win exemption.
It’s the legacy that stinky piece of shit Steve Jobs left behind. That, skirting foreign labor laws, treating your own child like shit and stabbing your friends in the back.
Agreed. But other companies like Samsung and Google that dunked on Apple for their shitty practices, then completely adopt them a few generations later are fucking pathetic.
I bought a brother printer model J1010DW because it’s brother, right? Also it was the cheapest brother printer in stock locally around the time I was sick & tired of detouring to the print shop.
The color cartridges still have tons of ink swashing in them, but the printer won’t even print in b&w because it detects the other cartridges as empty. So I try the tape-over-the-ink-window method, and my printer says, HMM, I GUESS THERE’S INK NOW, BUT THESE MUST NOT BE BROTHER PRINTER CARTRIDGES, HURR DURR, and makes itself an overweight scanner.
I have a canon printer that I buy from Walmart (yes, I said buy, not bought). Every time the ink runs out, I’d go buy a whole printer. Printer is $27 and the ink is $35. I don’t really print much, so whatever little print they give with the new printer lasts me for a long time. I’m thinking of just buying a laser one and call it a day since it never dries and it prints up 1500 papers per cartridge.
Sony
We need to modify the DMCA to truly address this
We need to eliminate the DMCA. From printer ink to abandon ware to simple ownership of products we purchase, the DMCA stands in the way at every step.
Now we need to do this California to seal the deal.
It’s funny that this article doesn’t mention the one company that pretty much single handedly created the need for this legislation in the first place.
John Deere?
Too bad this doesn’t affect them because they managed to get themselves an exception to the rule…
Anything powered by a combustion engine is an exception.
I’m looking forward to Apple’s gas powered iPhone.
38 calls to the gallon!
From the article, parts pairing is “a practice manufacturers use to prevent replacement components from working unless the company’s software approves them.”
And since the DMCA makes it illegal to circumvent copy protection, they just put copy protection on the software (sometimes laughably weak - still counts!) and if you try to get around the hardware lockout you’re officially breaking the lawwww
It’s the practice of preventing you from even using genuine parts. If you buy two identical iPhones, you can’t even use parts from one to repair the other. The one phone won’t accept the genuine part from the other because it’s not paired to that phone by the manufacturer’s proprietary tool.
This stops theft significantly.
iPhone were one of the easiest devices to steal and sell. Even conventional anti theft measures wouldn’t deter theft significantly. Because they are so popular and common stealing an iPhone just to sell parts would still be worthwhile. Making stolen iPhone parts worthless reduces incidence of theft significantly.
This is less of an issue for other manufacturers. They often have more models serving a small customer base, with significantly less retail value.
I don’t actually know the details of how Pairing or Find My iPhone works, but couldn’t they just have the parts individually report their position since they apparently already “know” which device they belong to?
They wouldn’t know their location or have a means of sending that location. This would require every subsystem to have a gps antenna, radio and battery. It would be expensive, heavy and wasteful.
I mean when they’re on a working device. The device detects that the part is not original and uses the usual system to send the position as if it was the entire iPhone. Is that not feasible?
That’s a good approach for a single device. But for millions it’s not as good. Apples current approach significantly reduces theft and the industry around theft of their phones.
Why would it not be good? Doesn’t Find my iPhone already work with the whole network?
Hope this applies to cars as well. Bust a taillight in your Ford and get your own replacement, you still have to have a dealer configure the integrated BLISS sensor.
Section 1, 1, 3, g, C says “This section does not: Apply to: A vehicle…”
So, probably not
Fuck that sensor. It’s a made up need so I’m more dependent on the manufacturer.
Couldn’t states go after companies under the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act instead of writing new state legislation.
this just in…Apple to stop selling devices in Oregon.
And HP will stop selling printers.
Keep going…I’m almost there…
Sorry to ruin the mood for you, but John Deere will continue to sell tractors.
Oh you blue-ballin’ son of a biscuit-eating bulldog.
won’t companies respond by just saying "not for sale in Oregon? "
Do it in enough places and every won’t.
Makes attention a good market for honest business doesn’t it? I’ll move there.
Oregon has some really great laws. Some are working well, some need adjustment.
In this case I think manufacturers will just say “not for sale in Oregon” and people in Oregon will continue to buy them. California had an advantage with it’s huge market size.
I wonder if this will apply to generic printer cartridges
I have no issue with security devices requiring some sort of approval (which should be made available to self service), but devices like the screen, camera, battery, buttons, memory/storage, ports, speakers, etc, should be allowed whether or not they are factory.
In the eyes of apple the screen on an iPhone would act as a security device as it contains the fingerprint sensor.
Forget the sensors, they can say it’s a security related since it can display private info and their fans would defend that. You can bet they would make some excuse for almost everything and fight for it in court.
Same with the camera, and probably something can be said about the ports too.
Should apple be allowed to completely close those off though? Nah
Some products — like devices powered by combustion engines, medical equipment, farming equipment, HVAC equipment, video game consoles, and energy storage systems — are excluded from Oregon’s rules entirely.
It’s interesting to me that Game Consoles get an exception… Not sure whats up there, other than straight up
briberylobbying.HVAC makes sense when you consider environmental concerns (some refrigerants are really terrible pollutants).
Medical equipment, particularly equipment in public health care should be held to high standards. Authorized, properly trained repair; peoples lives depend on it.
Energy storage when attached to public infrastructure (you back-feeding the grid) can be a saftey concern for workers and the supply/load needs to be balanced to prevent damaging that infrastructure and other private equipment attached to it. Not sure preventing repair is the right move here; you can still buy and install new without oversight. Perhaps it’s again a saftey concern (for the person performing repair).
Vehicles, farming or otherwise, I’m on the fence about; there’s an argument to be made for public saftey/roadworthness, but I’m not sure that’s enough of an argument to prevent home-repair. Again seems more to do with lobbying than anything else.
John Deere probably
bribedlobbied hard for that carve out. It was their practices that helped drive the right to repair movement. Giving them a pass really diminishes the accomplishment.Smaller farms are going to get screwed over with all the fees and mandatory maintenance that can be imposed.
Everyone gets angry about printers needing a debit card on file but manufacturers like John Deere do similar stuff. If they think you’ve tinkered with it, they can disable the equipment remotely.
The farming equipment exemption smells like John Deere’s lobbies have been involved.
There are lots of loyal green customers who are really pissed about the ability to not be able to repair their own stuff, but yet keep buying it. (Similar to a lot of iPhone users)
but yet keep buying it.
Probably because they’ll keep repairing it themselves anyway. Making it legal would just make it easier for them to repair it without triggering the tractor’s version of DRM (can’t remember what it’s called).
That is getting really hard to do. Seems like someone could make a market in controllers that replace the factory ones but hook to the factory sensors.
I can’t wait to get back to Oregon
Is this actually good news? What can a single state do? Shouldn’t this be federal?
Special exceptions are hard to deal with when you’re mass producing. That’s why a fair amount of the rulings made by the European Union also end up applying to North America when it comes to international businesses.
It basically means someone like Apple has to decide between not selling in Oregon at all, making special phones for Oregon, or making all of their phones not have paired parts. It’s a pretty big thorn in their side, and it would only take a few more states to join in before they really have to start committing to a solution.
what kind of logic is that? A small victory is better than no victory
“We need to cut down the insane cycle of churning through personal electronics”
Translation: We need to slow down the pace of innovation!
What innovation would that be, exactly?
This has to be one of the stupidest takes ive seen. They aren’t innovating, they are making it so things break after set amounts of time, you cant repair it without massive headaches and the expense of proprietary parts, so people end up basically having to buy a new device that is either the exact same or had only a few changes to it but costs more money than the original. That’s not innovation, that’s just a cash grab.
If it means reducing waste… okay?
I don’t really need much innovation in my personal electronics, I’d still have an iPhone 3GS if it still worked.
The innovation of DRM and Intels SGX extention is the reason no current-gen PC can play 4K Blurays in 4K.
Of course they can! You just need to download your blurays from reputable sources.
