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        ’ll have a number 6 with extra dip. Big Smoke: I’ll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda. Make that diet, I’m trying to watch my weight.

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      To be fair, the alcoholic menu us typically like this too. 95% of the menu is beer, wine, or vodka and some kind of syrup.

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      I mean, I just annoyed that milk isn’t even an option in a lot of restaurants. It’s something so basic, like.

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      This annoys me so badly.

      I don’t drink carbonated beverages, so when I go into a place and don’t want beer then my options are basically coffee or water.

      Fine in the mornings, but I don’t want a coffee at 5PM. So I guess it’s just water then huh

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      Don’t forget fake sugar. And most of that “sugar” is actually corn we tricked into tasting like sugar.

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        I honestly hope you are making some attempt at a joke, and I’m just failing to get it…

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      What’s wrong with water? I usually just get water and ask for lemon slices to squeeze into it. Which is a game changer and they always have on hand because of the alcoholic drinks lmao

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    I feel like this joke would have landed better 5, or maybe even 3 years ago. Every even remotely fancy restaurant I go into has jumped on the mocktail bandwagon and offers plenty of options for people avoiding alcohol.

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      I was just in Dublin and saw Guinness 0.0 in a bunch of places. Things are definitely shifting if that can exist in Ireland.

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        That’s great news! Occasionally I browse the NA beers and last week I thought how great it would be to be able to drink a Guinness! Maybe it arrives here sometime.

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      Even then, it’s not really accurate anyway. A cocktail is a bunch of ingredients mixes together. You can usually get them without the alcohol if you ask for it (obviously this doesn’t work for every drink). They list of cocktails is so large because there’s a lot of ways to combine a few ingredients to make different things. They don’t actually stock that many types of drinks or anything. They’re made on demends, and can usually be modified if you ask.

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        Cocktails without alcohol cost way too much for what they are. That would be like paying 15 bucks for a burger without meat.

        Restaurants sometimes also have like dozens of types of beer, wine, etc. but the best non-alcoholic they can do is a water or a coca cola softdrink?

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      At least in North America. I get the sense Europe still thinks drinking is cool across the board.

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        Alcohol has been an essential facilitating element of human socialization in every human civilization since Mesopotamia

        Which is cool

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          Human sacrifice was also pretty popular for a pretty long time, as was autocracy. Alcohol isn’t that bad, obviously, if bad at all, but age isn’t a good argument on it’s own.

          Also; factually inaccurate. I’m not sure how much evidence of alcohol there is in the New World civilisations, and Islam, which forbids it, has been around for a millennia and a half.

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            You can’t ban something unless it exists and is a part of your society. Alcohol existed prior to Islam in Arabia and still exists there today. Legal Prohibitions do not cause a substance to disappear.

            Alcohol is just fermented grain. Everyone had grain. Therefore everyone had alcohol. Including the Americas

            So yes, there is evidence of alcohol consumption in the New World prior to European contact. Indigenous peoples in various parts of the Americas developed fermented beverages from local ingredients long before Europeans arrived.

            1. North America: Various tribes produced alcoholic drinks from berries, maize, and other native plants. For example, the Apache made tiswin from corn, and the Chicha was popular among many tribes in North America.

            2. Central America: The Aztecs brewed pulque from the sap of the agave plant. This drink was not only consumed for enjoyment but also held religious significance.

            3. South America: Chicha, a beer made from maize, was widely consumed across the Andean region. This beverage was integral to social and ceremonial functions.

            These indigenous beverages varied widely in production, ingredients, and cultural significance but demonstrate that alcohol consumption was indeed present in the New World prior to European contact.

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              Fair enough. It looks like pulque, at least, was recorded as not being used recreationally, which is probably what I was remembering, but even that I doubt, just based on human nature.

              It’s still highly unlikely Alpharabius ever discussed political philosophy over a beer. There might have been local Jews that could supply it, but the cultural taboo would have long since been totally integrated. It wasn’t ye olde prohibition or something. And it’s still not supported that drinking is objectively, universally desirable in some aesthetic sense, which is kind of what “it is cool” suggests in the original context.

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      Restaurants menus lacking milk as a drinking option is definitely a positive for me - I do not wish to dine alongside whatever freak chooses to drink milk with their meal.

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          Cow boob juice is for baby cows. Human boob juice is for baby humans. Adults of any species should have developed past ingesting boob juice in childhood.

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            Come on dude. Don’t tell me you’ve never drunk milk as an adult. Be honest lmfao

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                I like this interpretation of history. I guess that means the Wright brothers were drinking Red Bull?

                More seriously, they drank milk because they were pastoralists with a lot of it, and because it’s something you can consume. Hell, they were even lactose intolerant; if you happen to be European or West African all the better. Not sure where this “it’s for kids” idea comes from, maybe it’s some kind of American cultural thing. (If you want to be really bio-deterministic, it’s for babies, older children are in the same group as adults)

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            We get it you’re vegan.

            Also most people are actually lactose-intolerant, the capability to retain production of lactase into adulthood is a mutation won through a lot of hardship and diarrhoea.

            Side note Italy being blue explains why they have strange rules such as “no cappuccino after noon”, it’s not that it’s bad or anything it’s that many Italians can only stomach one, maybe two a day.

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      Why judge people over their choice of beverage?

      Why can’t we all drink (or eat or be…) whatever we please without derogatory comments being made? What kind of a low is that?

      Seriously.

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        The oldest kind of low. It’s sad, but you spot a bunch of humans, you can be sure that they are already judging you.

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        • Criticizing alcohol consumption = you sleep

        • Criticizing milk consumption = real shit

        Also, let people dislike things. If Criticism diminishes your own enjoyment of a thing then you don’t actually like that thing

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        I’m gonna recognize that what I said came across way way more harsh than was intended, this was meant to be playful, as are my responses below - I seem to be learning that my tone and how I speak do not always translate well to being written - for this, I apologize. I do need to work on monitoring my snark levels.

        I’d like to state - that you are more than welcome to drink or do what you want. I was attempting to razz op - not berate op… even though milk is straight up disgusting and I gag when people drink it by itself and I cannot understand why anyone would make that choice - it is their choice.

        This is a me problem - not a them problem.

        Have fun enjoying your gross animal juice everyone. I’ll just sit over here with my water.

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        Because I’ve literally only known a single adult to opt into drinking milk and it was my 90 year old grandfather. Always thought it was super strange to like milk so much.

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          I once had to live with a guy that would go through 2-4 gallons in a week on his own and just let the empty jugs build up in (around) the recycle bin for weeks on end. Grew up on a dairy farm. Honestly I shouldn’t have to say more to tell you he was a freak.

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            Haha wow, yeah that’s pretty weird. I can’t stand the taste of milk, but I feel like even if I could, like anything else, it would get sort of sickening in such large quantities

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        I’m just saying if I see anyone not eating from the kids menu drinking milk with a meal I’m going to judge you. I’m judging all of Finland.

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        Me? I can’t understand why this is such a weird thing to you people.

        And yet you made this post which does the same thing re: alcohol consumption

        Wine pairings with meals are a thing for a reason. Milk pairings, not so much

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      why would you not? milk taste good mmmm

      especially if i’m at a less fancy restaurant and i’m ordering a dish with mashed potatoes and gravy, milk is 100% the appropriate beverage.

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      Who fucking drinks milk when they go to a restaurant

      Autism is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be … unnatural

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    Some this has to do with shelf life. Beverages containing alcohol have a long shelf life. A restaurant is not going to take losses on having 50 kinds of juice or whatever on hand. Another angle to this is that a lot of the drinks on the alcoholic menu are cocktails, so just combinations of other shit they have. Finally, what adult is just drinking milk? Have some water, it is good for you.

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      Is this coming from experience or are you just kind of guessing? There are plenty of cocktails that use non-shelf stable stuff that you can get anywhere. On top of that, the new movement towards providing non-alcoholic drinks on the menu just reuses these same ingredients in different ways.

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        I’ve worked on both sides of the house for 14 years and I’m in management now. The issue is once you open products, not when they’re sitting there. Sitting there is also an issue, however, as stock that doesn’t move still incurs costs. I work on the institutional side now and we only provide nonalcoholic beverages, but they are either single serve or cheap bulk prep. These are not what people are expecting at a restaurant. Many items in cocktails also have long shelf lives after opening or are cheap/move quickly.

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          Many items in cocktails also have long shelf lives after opening or are cheap/move quickly.

          This is why I think we see variations on actual cocktails so much…you have it, it’s open, so move it.

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            Exactly. It’s like having a breakfast only restaurant. You can make a menu of 50 entrees by combining 8 main ingredients with various cooking methods and spices.

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      I just like having milk with every meal. I don’t like water and having dinner with a fizzy drink is just wrong.

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        What do you mean you dont like water? You mean that liquid that makes you die if you dont have any for a couple days?

        Milk is absolutely disgusting during a meal since it gets so warm and gross.

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          No it doesn’t. Milk can stay cold for ages. Like I would have any meal gone within 10 minutes.

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              Uh why? I eat most of my meals in about that amount of time when I eat by myself. like how long does it take to eat a fuckin sandwich lmao, or a bowl of pasta? And I don’t have any eating disorders, I’m not at an unhealthy weight. I just … eat.

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          Just because it’s essential for life doesn’t mean that people have to like it. I really don’t like drinking water unless it’s just out of the fridge or cooler. I always add cordial to it.

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        having dinner with a fizzy drink is just wrong.

        Its not mandatory, but I’ll have you know this is incorrect.

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      With having IBD I’m pretty much limited to water or milk. I’m absolutely going to drink milk when I can because I get fed up drinking water multiple times a day every fucking day.

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        I guess, I primarily drink water. I’m not restricted in the same way, but I’m an innate fat fuck, so water is my drink of choice. I’m surprised milk wouldn’t inflame IBD.

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          The concept of being fed up with water is so alien to me. Water doesn’t have some powerful, delicious flavor but the sensation of drinking water is almost always one of satisfying refreshment.

          How can you be irritated by water? “Damn it, this is only exactly what my body needs!”

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            Seems like a huge failure in their nutrition education.

            Drink water for your hydration, everything else is a treat and not hydration.

            This thread clears up to me why so many people have digestive issues and/or obesity.

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            Idk, I like other beverages as well, but I’ve only ever been disappointed by water when it has contaminants I can taste.

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            Some people crave or have to have some kind of flavor with their liquids or they don’t want it. I have known multiple people who thought water tasted gross, which is somewhat legit because I had to get used to the different water taste when I went to school on the opposite side of town, but they just thought any kind of water was gross. They’d always have a soda or coffee or something.

            My issue isn’t flavor necessarily, its carbonation. But plain/unsweetened soda water is gross and soda streams aren’t worth it to make my own infused water.

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    There’s the trend of restaurants having “mocktails”, which is cool, but they often charge for them based on their price for alcoholic beverages. I don’t really want a special lemonade for $14.

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      This thread has been so weird for me because apparently something I’ve always done without ever giving any thought to is weird to people. I don’t give a fuck. It’s all in jest, anyways.

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        I find it pretty disgusting to even watch on TV or something (McPoyles), but I don’t sit around staring at people eating or drinking things that I find distasteful so I can judge them; in general I try to not judge people for having different tastes and tolerances than me.

        We could definitely have a dinner and you can have a tall frothy glass of milk right from the cow’s udder with it. If you’re fun to talk to and aren’t mean, we good.

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      Almost 70% of the global population of adult humans are lactose intolerant. Whether you think drinking milk as an adult is weird or not, it isn’t something most human adults can easily do without digestive problems, and, because of that, it’s somewhat unusual to many people.

      Edit: I definitely think of drinking milk as a white people thing. Similarly I think of men showering without using a washcloth as a white people thing. Neither are true of all white people, they’re just stereotypes I have, I guess.

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    Adults: Look at these tiktok kids eating tide pods!

    Also adults: Waiter please pour me a glass of your finest toxin!

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      Ah, but it’s a very old pool of toxin, cooked over rotten plant matter from a swamp and aged in an obsolete form of container, and it made them significantly poorer to order it! /s

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    It’s about money. People are okay paying way higher margins for alcoholic drinks. They want you drinking alcohol for profits and the inebriating effect makes you more likely to spend loosely.

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        And so your options are alcohol, soft drinks (coke or pepsi branded exclusively), or water

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        You think restaurants take worker’s labor into consideration when making profitability choices? Look what servers are paid, they clearly don’t value their labor.

        EDIT: I was being dramatic to prove a point. Restaurants run skeleton crews all the time to push profitability. Obviously they give it some consideration, but it’s rarely for the workers well being.

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    I think it’s Edmonton that just opened an alcohol free mocktail bar. That sounds amazing as a non drinker, you get to socialize with people and enjoy everything from milkshakes to rare sodas. Bring back soda shops!

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    I stopped drinking about five years ago, and I often can find a mocktail or two that I like on most menus

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    In my experience, it’s usually the same length or alcoholic ones get almost a page long. Though I did go to one where the non-alcoholic options consisted solely of sodas, shame.