That’s all.
EDIT: Thank you all for detailing your experience with, and hatred for, this miserable product. Your display of solidarity is inspiring. Now, say it with me:
Fuck Microsoft
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Microsoft OneDrive is the maggots in the dog shit
There shouldn’t be worms in the poop of a healthy dog. This analogy just keeps getting better and more accurate.
Maggots aren’t worms.
Oooh, I hate it so bad…… I used to click “Save” and my word document would ask to save in the only folder I save ALL my documents in. Change the name, save, so easy!
Now it asks if I want to save to OneDrive… Fuck No Mr Paperclip! I want it in the folder I always use and don’t want to have to select “Other” then dig through screens to select the thing I use every time!
Hit F12 to bypass the bs.
Note to self….
So annoying. The OneDrive documents folder masquerading as your actual docs folder. Diabolical.
What’s worse is when I need to upload the doc to a website the OneDrive folder is nowhere to be found.
Tricksy onedrives
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Onedrive is pretty ok, other than being annoying. A company I worked for was acquired by another company that had their own cloud storage product. After the acquisition, they forced us to migrate from onedrive to their product. It was so bad… Files would constantly corrupt and disappear, the speed was terrible, trying to share files didn’t work half the time, when sharing folders the people you shared with wouldn’t see all the files in the folder. They also limited our storage from 1TB to 25GB making it pretty useless for storing builds of our product or trying to share VMs.
And the worst part is that they also closed our SMB network share to force us to use that piece of shit.
After that experience, I will never complain about Onedrive again.
Haha oh man that sounds infuriating. Of course it could be worse, but def could be better
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That’s all.
There’s more: microsoft outlook is garbage
If I’m being honest the only Microsoft product I actually like is Excel.
Ever try finding an old email by sender. Lol, good luck
The new outlook has exceeded “garbage” and gone all the way to dumpster fire. It sometimes takes upwards of 15, 30 seconds to open an email. The new auto formatting is a hindrance to be overcome by tricking it to act how you want. Trying to schedule an event across timezones shits the bed half the time, resulting in improper meeting times being sent out. Absolute failure.
My CISO has all but said he’s going to prevent any auto-rollout of that shit because it breaks decades of user training and TRUNCATES THE FRONT OF THE URL, NOT THE BACK LIKE ANY SENSIBLE APPLICATION.
Like, let’s make it so Steve in accounting can’t see that the login link he wants to click is actually haxxor.com instead of bank.com, makes perfect fucking sense.
New Outlook also doesn’t support Really Simple Syndication, which I used a lot with the Old Outlook.
So back to old Outlook I go.
Microsoft Teams isn’t all bad! For example, it bogged down my work computer so much at start up that I would basically get an extra break.
It temporarily deletes my meetings just before they happen, so that I don’t have to attend them!
Of course, when I open it later, the meetings are restored, with the original date, and no trace of the deletion. So not attending them is quite hard to explain to others. But it does save me from attending!
Just do in what I do. Don’t join meetings most of the time. That way when you do it is noteworthy to the meeting stakeholder.
Yeah sure my manglers through the years try to have ‘the talk’ but after awhile of training them via sheer apathy they shut the fuck up.
I solve complex problems, get my tasks done, I’m independent and I stay busy because I’ll get bored. Most meetings could just be an email. There’s no real collaboration except managers or scrum masters asking what your blockers are but not actually doing anything about it. If I think the meeting will be a waste of my time I just don’t show up.
Take a print
The one problem with that is that I need to know I’m not being told about a meeting to take a print.
The the screen recording always on lol
Oh, nice, Windows 11 will fix Teams!
fuxk yea I get like an extra 30 mins a day at leastttt
Microsoft
Teamsis dog shitThat’s all.
Bill Gates is en route to your location
Oh dear god, no, what have I done
Bill Gates in this episode looks like he’d have nanomachines
What blows my mind is MS fucking bought Skype and somehow Teams still can’t handle video calls correctly. The actual fuck did they do with that acquisition?
Skype used to be peer to peer. Your call went from you to your friend (whomever). Microsoft decided that they couldn’t mitm that setup to scrape data; so, soon after they acquired Skype, they made all calls go through their servers.
Then they tried to make Skype make more money, since those servers aren’t free. Then they made teams and copied half the code into that, and cludged the rest to make it hold together.
Skype is fading fast. Thank God. Discord is already an internet standard.
Replacing garbage with sewer water. Not exactly an improvement.
And at least garbage let you make international calls with the money you put into it. Nitro-saturated sewer water gives you what—a bit of extra bandwidth utilization, 2 free tokens to prove you’re above the poverty line, and discounts on paid cosmetics?
How the fuck did they let motherfucking Zoom take over. The video-call equivalent of “Googling” something was to “Skype.” When Covid hit, Microsoft screwed the pooch horribly.
My sister is super high ranking at Microsoft, and when she calls the family, she uses Zoom.
Well, I’m a unix guy for 30 years and hated M$ bill gates blablabla and forced to use windows at work etc. Teams was somewhat bad at the beginning, especially start of covid pandemic , I’m using Teams multiple times daily for ~5 years now. But since ~1 year it handles video call pretty nicely, 20+ feeds, share screens, whiteboard, etc. it’s pretty stable at least, don’t crash anymore, and we can have multiple accounts. It took times to reach this state I agree…
Teams are losing parts of text chat conversations for me. Not sure if that’s issue of their PWA on Linux or just an issue in general…
PWA in Linux is unusable yep, with FF or Edge, super buggy.
I’m using Teams in Windows, I have a software KVM to move between my Linux PC and work windows laptop
I always say that the only reason they keep Skype alive is to make Teams appear good
Is there a Microsoft product that isn’t?
To be fair, Teams is pretty bad even for MS. I’ve never seen something do so relatively little and still perform so poorly. When I switched jobs and got to use Slack it was like a great fog being lifted off of my being.
VS Code. That’s it though.
You may know already, but you should try VSCodium. At least they took the Micro$hit telemetry out!
VS Code is OK if you can’t afford the JetBrains ultimate subscription. I never want to see a VS Code launch configuration again.
Fuck subscriptions though.
Agreed…the community editions of their tools are solid, but if you’re doing cloud stuff, get your company to pay for it. It blows VS Code out of the water.
Ah yes, you’re right.
I guess a better qualifier might be: closed-source Microsoft products tend overwhelmingly to suck.
WSL was my gateway drug to Linux. It’s neat. Until it isn’t.
TypeScript isn’t terrible. It’s extra work to set up, but it makes JavaScript codebases somewhat more maintainable.
They’ve been cramming random stuff in that though that’s making it more laggy. Recently switched to Zed and it’s so much faster.
Visual Studio for live .NET debugging and the WPF live editor.
Some C/C++ extension process once reduced my laptop to a crawl, and I couldn’t close VS Code, so I killed the process through the task manager, simple enough, right?
Long story short, I started smelling burning plastic and saw that, somehow, there was no VS Code process, but the extension had a separate process that was still running at full speed doing idk what. I almost burned myself when I picked up my laptop. So I’m not very happy when I see VS Code
Your laptop caught fire while running vs code it had nothing to do with it, it doesn’t have a “burn my laptop” function.
Powertoys too
That’s open source though?
Excel, Active Directory, and to a somewhat lesser degree MSSQL.
Excel?! Have to respectfully disagree on that one.
What’s wrong with excel?
It’s an awful mix of half-assed approaches to things. Awkward syntax on everything and very poor at recognizing what types of data it is handling.
Open a CSV in a fresh Excel install. It will almost certainly mistake something for a date if the CSV is sufficiently large (unless the user is exceedingly explicit at changing settings for that particular CSV). It will reformat that data as a date, and as an added bonus, since Autosave is on by default, it’ll save that reformatted data back into your CSV. Yes, settings can be changed to avoid these things. But why isn’t it just designed better so as to avoid it altogether?
If that was just a natural side effect of spreadsheet apps, I could understand it. But LibreOffice Calc is a million times better at recognizing what types of data it is handling, so it seems to just be Excel’s shittiness.
The fact that it also hasn’t really changed beyond aesthetics since 2004 is just… wild.
Excel is great.
It does so much that people make it do what it shouldn’t, and never think to explore technologies beyond it… Like a proper fucking database.
Then you get garbage business systems based on fragile excel sheets with bonkers macros and weird ETL pipelines to sync things.
And never try to deal with dates and timezones.And never try to deal with dates and timezones.
Or anything that looks like dates.
Gene scientists had to revise their whole naming scheme because Excel would see MARCH1 (Membrane-Associated Ring-CH-Finger Type 1), and ‘helpfully’ convert it into a date, rendering it useless (since it uses timestamps on the backend).
It’s bad enough that my data science course recommended against opening CSV files in Excel, because it would edit the file to do the conversion, even before you explicitly saving, mangling your data before you could process it.
C#, technically not a product but it’s pretty great. The first few Xboxes, but that’s going back a bit.
Windows pre 8.
Microsoft Excel is goat for spreadsheets.
Erm. Can’t think of any more.
Windows 8.1 was great, you just have to enable the start button and disable Metro. It’s basically a faster Windows 7.
I must be the only one who prefers Teams over Slack. I just don’t like its design. Nothing makes sense to me in how it operates. But then again, Trams runs fine for me. No slow downs or deleting things that others have mentioned.
I have an old Microsoft brand thumb drive that fits perfectly into my ass and makes me nut every time
Unpopular opinion: I actually like MS Teams
Look, I know this might get downvoted, but Teams is… actually fine? Yeah, it’s not perfect, but it just works. The best part is that everyone and their grandma knows how to use it because it’s the corporate standard around here.
I can’t tell you how much time I’ve saved not having to do the whole “can you hear me? let me try reconnecting… oh wait try updating your browser” dance that happens with other platforms. My company recently switched to Google Meet and honestly? It’s been a downgrade. Teams might not be the coolest kid on the block, but at least I’m not spending half my meetings troubleshooting audio and video issues.
I haven’t really used any other platforms so I can’t really compare but I have encountered enough audio issues too. Especially with new Teams and bluetooth devices.
I went from teams/ms at another business to google at my current one. If they changed to Microsoft anything I’d burn the place down.
For me “it just works” doesn’t ring true. Generally at least once a day, I join a call and it won’t let me unmute, and I have to restart Teams.
Scrolling through history is obnoxiously slow.
The activity feed is mostly useless, spammed with stuff that isn’t important and it’s the only place that vaguely tries to keep track of ‘Teams’ conversations.
In my company, I’ve been added to about 70 Teams and it’s pretty much impossible to interact with them, so as a result no one does, they all just start ad-hoc chats, since that’s the only thing that vaguely gets managed in a way people can follow.
When going cross-organization, it’s a crap shoot whether or not we can use text, voice, and screen share/remote control. I know this is generally due to obnoxious company ‘security’ policies and other solutions have it, but it is a frustration. One recent call with a particularly screwed up company had us on two different meeting platforms at once as well as on an old fashioned conference call, because text was only allowed on one platform, screen share on another, and no audio was allowed on either (despite both supporting all three).
Sure, Teams suffers, in part, because like all corporate tools it connects you to generally dysfunctional work communities. However it broadly does have it’s own annoyances.
With how much goddamn investor money they got it should be as close to perfect as possible, IMHO. We’ve had like 2 decades to perfect interacting online, I don’t think its a technical challenge anymore.
I hate teams because it consistently doesn’t just work
missed notifications, screensharing
i have little use of it and it constantly breaks
If you use something often you learn to handle the bugs and “it just works”. If you use a product rarely then it’s not gonna work as well
Yeah, I have a similar experience, but it certainly lacks in features compared to other messengers. For example:
- chat - formatting is terrible, Slack is way better here
- groups - haven’t bothered figuring them out, in Slack making a channel or group message is super natural
- resources - Teams eats RAM like crazy, Slack seems to be a bit more respectful
- recent chats/messages - I can never find what I’m looking for, with Slack it’s simple
I like the integration w/ Outlook because we’re basically forced to use it at work, but Slack is way better for almost everything that doesn’t interact directly w/ Outlook. So if it’s not a scheduled meeting, I and my team much prefer Slack.
Gotta say, formatting of text isn’t a high priority for me… I’m pinging someone about a thing, I’m not writing a presentation. Adding emojis is about as much as I need 🤔
And - to me - adding people to an adhoc group call / chat is straight forwards - and finding those conversations later is too
But, I believe that there’s a few Corp IT settings that can be adjusted (we’ve recently lost the ability to add gifs for example), so maybe that’s what’s going wrong.
But we’re a long way from AOL IM 😉
I send code snippets, quote sections of linked documents, and provide in-line links pretty often, kind of like here on Lemmy. Slack isn’t as nice as Markdown, but it’s good enough, whereas Teams is a complete pain in in the butt and it completely butchers code blocks. That said, I’m a team lead, so I fairly frequently post about recent releases, security issues, or give cliff notes of recent meetings, so formatting for me matters quite a bit.
And for calls, we have multiple logical groups of people, such as:
- development teams
- team leads (for all teams)
- groups by location
- groups by role (developers, QA, etc)
- release groups - may be part of a team, multiple teams, or parts of multiple teams
- automated alerts when prod has an issue
And we have ad-hoc group chats where just a handful of people need to be involved, but they don’t fit cleanly into one of the established groups above (e.g. project manager wants to know a rough estimate for an upcoming project).
Teams works fine, but I find it annoying to use.
Too fuckin right m8
Bruh it was a placeholder cuz it took me a sec to find the meme lmao
“Your organization has blocked this action”
I mean this is my work phone, and I’m trying to copy a customer’s phone number from a spreadsheet to the dialer, but thanks man.
Not that I’m actually trying to defend MS/Teams (seriously, fuck ‘em both); but this is more due to IT Admin settings.
We have similar in our company, that’s in place because we handle PIR data regularly and it’s meant to be a speed bump rather than full roadblock.
i hate ms with every fiber of my being, but teams has gotten better. it used to be practically unusable. now its just mostly so
There’s a huge Teams outage right now. I have to use it at work and it makes me want to jump face first into a wood chipper.
Is that regional? Ours is working fine out in the midwest.
Must be.
My company is currently forcibly migrating off of Slack to Teams. It’s so heartbreaking…
You’re in for a world of shit.
I do not believe anyone at Microsoft actually uses it because if they did there’s no way in hell that they would have let it be that bad.
It literally keeps every single conversation you’ve ever had in a big long list on the left, with absolutely no way to organize it, categorize it, order it, or in any way manage it other than deleting history, that’s it you can delete history.
I believe they will never allow users to delete entire chats like that because it will cause mass panic for users and managers, particularly. You already have users doing dumb shit like deleting files accidentally. And more than that, you’ll have managers getting upset that users may be doing it on purpose like “omg I never saw that message! 😱 “
Deleting your own stuff is easy and okayed because it’s not an easy process and it involves multiple steps.
It literally keeps every single conversation you’ve ever had in a big long list on the left,
Not all of them, actually. I regularly have to use the search function to find chats/groups I haven’t used in a bit. The most organization you can do is the dozen pinned threads they let you have.
That’s my primary gripe too. I could theoretically work around it if the chat search worked. I’ll try searching for a specific word to see who said it to me and when, but if it was more than a couple days ago I’m out of luck. Later I’ll remember who said it, eventually find them in the sidebar, scroll up 40 pages in the chat, and find the exact word Teams claimed it’s never heard of.
with absolutely no way to organize it, categorize it, order it, or in any way manage it other than deleting history
But you can pin any chat and you can reorder any pinned chat (and maybe even non-pinned ones - I haven’t checked).
But only 15. Yeah, I hit that limit regularly. I just want to put things in folders. That would be a major improvement.
I want to be able to label chats. I don’t know who Sammy Gupta is, I know we must have spoken to them at some point but it was 2 years ago and I don’t remember who they are, what their role or responsibility is, or anything about them.
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Wouldn’t the folder structure kind of defeat the purpose of the messenger vs mail?
Not when you’re expected to use it as a texting/messenger device for work. I have so many threads and DMs through it that I truly need to make it more organized. I’m not alone.
I think when I said stuff you weren’t thinking of threads and chats but that’s what I meant. Apologies.
I mean, when you need to operate chats via folder structure, wouldn’t it make Оutlook out of it?
Not when you need real time chats, no.
I know someone working there. I was in a few group calls he organised using teams where I used an anonymous login. Then Microsoft forced you to make an account to use it, so I declined after that.
I’ve had nothing but issues with it since their “upgrade” over the last year or so. It keeps cycling between the new and old versions when I open it, it often closes itself on my PC, and every time I try to pin it to my Taskbar it disappears.
The auto closing is driving me insane.
I have 3 different computers I use on a daily and each of them encounter this issue multiple times each week. A meeting starts and I have to go start up Teams and wait for it to fully open to join the call. Or I have someone cold call me and I don’t get the call on my computer and won’t even after opening Teams.
They can do a full refresh and release new features to make it look pretty but nothing has been done to address this issue that has been ongoing since day 1 of this “new Teams” refresh.
i had this exact issue until i wiped my machine this summer and it refreshed into a full win11 after the crowdstrike debacle
This is a shared workstation PC at my job so I’ll have to just continue to deal with it.
The biggest mistake was to make it a “hub” for all sorts of other uses in my opinion. It shouldn’t be browser based, it should be native and just focus on chatting and calls, that’s it. It could be so much faster and intuitive.
You mean like Skype for Business?
You mean Lync?
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You dare speak the name of the accursed one??
I’m so tired of web engine based apps
Decades of speed increases in hardware, yet software is slower than ever because we’re wasting it on JavaScript.
Yup
Why? At least I don’t have to download and install gigabytes of files for something I might only use once?
IIRC Microsoft teams is a 1 GB install! The classic edition of it was like 200 or 400 MB.
Webtech based doesn’t mean small. Evidently.
The web platform is pretty jank for software development. Maybe I’m just picky but you call tell the difference most the time. It’s a shame it got so popular
So does discord
Didn’t say I was a fan
Ah, they’re all crap.
Came to Teams from Slack, some upsides, some downsides. It’s a corporate communication tool, I don’t use it because I think it’s beautiful and elegant, I use it because I get paid money to use it.
What’s wrong with slack?
I’ve had limited experience with slack, but the whole way conversations map to workspaces at least got to be confusing to me, and I would have liked an experience based on me as a user, rather than having my user span workspaces and have to juggle them to figure out how to talk to whoever I’m supposed to talk to at the time.
The fact that me and a coworker can’t both share our screens at the same time is absolutely batshit. 1x1 collaboration isn’t even reasonable, nevermind anything more
Yes. Why the fuck doesn’t Teams have this capability??
Try sharing anything except excel and enjoy your 3fps. Being a game dev and wanting to show videos or share my screen while playing is a no-go.
Honestly I don’t know how it is even possible to make such a dog shit product. I think my first webrtc tutorial app works better than this piece of shit.
I hate teams and have to use it for work . They insist on having all the important documents I need accessed through teams instead of just putting them in a folder .
