“Thousands of software engineers spared a living death. Film at 11.”
But he went on to say: “We’re not adding any more software engineers next year because we have increased the productivity this year with Agentforce and with other AI technology that we’re using for engineering teams by more than 30% – to the point where our engineering velocity is incredible. I can’t believe what we’re achieving in engineering.”
This announcement is just advertising for agentforce (their AI) they’re likely not being serious about it.
Is it because they would be bankrupt by the end of the year?
They don’t want to ruin their reputation by having functional software.
Maybe some dude in his mothers basement will use A.I to develop a good replacement for salesforce.
bold strategy, let’s see if your shit platform can continue to compete when its barely working now.
Compete? They don’t need to compete. Their vendor lock in strategy is unbeatable. I have no idea how they continue to scam companies onto their platform, but I don’t know anyone that’s happy with it after a few years (except that one ass hat at every company that somehow keeps moving more business processes to it), and yet I’ve never seen any company successfully get off it.
Maybe they hired the political strategists that keep making most Americans vote against their self interests as their sales team
Not to mention that Tableau is an awful product that will only continue to get worse.
And the costs for their shit products are astronomical.
Yeah, who is there to compete with? (The somehow-way-worse) NetSuite?
Hubspot, klaviyo, Zen desk to name a few
Headline in six months: Salesforce Hires Software Engineers After Realizing Middle Managers Don’t Know How To Turn AI-Generated Code Into Actual Applications
Being a software engineer is a hell of a lot more than just the actual act of writing code.
Knowing companies, they won’t realise anything and will just make their existing employees pick up the slack
Maybe if we’d put LLM powered puppets in the meetings with management so developers can just continue with their actual work we’d get a lot more done.
I think that should be tried first. I really think Ai could replace them! (Especially CEOs)
The cost savings will be immense, productivity and innovation will no longer be impaired by incapable self centred arseholes playing political games, … I can see that working.
Not before the 2025 headline Salesforce lays off 25% of software development staff.
I’ll save you a click: AI bullshit.
Someone on HN said this is basically a cover for the fact that they’ve been in a hiring freeze since 2023.
As of Salesforce didn’t suck enough as is
We will have more salespeople next year because we really need to explain to people exactly the value that we can achieve with AI. So, we will probably add another 1,000 to 2,000 salespeople in the short term.
Well, good luck!
I can’t wait for the AI bubble to burst. It’s going to be hilarious to see these kinds of CEOs falling flat on their faces. Unfortunately, it will not be the CEOs who will suffer the most from the consequences.
Lol that ain’t happening. They are doing this for short term gain. Line mus go up and ceo terms are medium term perfect for overstimulating their stock value and cashing out as they leave. The next ceo will come in to a crash in stock value and hard cuts are the only option.
So in this case, it’s good for devs as it’s only happening now while its early. gtfo while you can!
Its also worth mentioning this could be most likely more simple. Its a distraction from a sign of real financial trouble
The funny thing is it’s easier to replace salespeople with AI than developers. They should be losing salespeople first!
No man, sales people are far more important to the bottom line. Profits first, then working product in the future. It’s genius, no way that model could go wrong
It’s not about business optimization, it’s about not having to defer to someone’s knowledge from the position of power.
AI bubble makes so much sense when you start looking at it this way.
I think it’s just that MBA types see engineering and support as costing money and sales as making money.
Precisely this. This is, in my view, the biggest lie American MBA schools forced down to the society: the notion that, if you can’t quantify the value of support and engineering then it does not matter. That is just a side effect of how limited accounting is as a tool to measure value and of how unimaginative accountants are, as a class of professionals.
Then MBA schools don’t directly say it but do condone the notion that one can always squeeze more profit from less cost, which works in the beginning but at the end throws the company into a potentially unrecoverable corner (Boeing), damaging people’s lives, suppliers’ businesses, and the community at large.
Agree, and “defer” can mean organizationally as in needing someone else’s input, knowledge, support, buy-in…vs. running an autocratic hierarchy, which the weak and stupid prefer. Defer also means acknowledging the value and contributions of others and compensating them accordingly.
If I had to boil a lot of the churn in the water about AI, it’s by stupid people trying to sell even stupider, desperate people the idea the immense knowledge of the earth (or even that of their accounting or customer service practices) will be within their grasp and they won’t need others anymore. Of course, some say great cut headcount, because they didn’t understand the work others do in the first place.
While most won’t fully take an approach as extreme, and any AI use will likely be more organic, there will be outliers who receive the bulk of the press.
Saying you don’t need X position in early 2025 based on the state of AI is like declaring in 1996 libraries are dead.
What does that mean? “Defer” “knowledge” “position” & “power” aren’t connecting in my head…
My read of it was “the C-suite hates when the engineers actually know how shit works, and the leadership must kowtow to the people doing the actual work.” YMMV or the commentor may have meant something completely different.
I have never interacted with an enterprise software salesperson as a customer. But I’ve had a ton of them as coworkers since I work in software development. Knowing them from the inside, so to speak, it is impossible for me to imagine how anyone takes them seriously. The only things they actually know or care about are their quota and bonus. How anyone bases a large cash spend on the things they say boggles my mind.
Sad thing is that the CEOs who always claim big responsibility wont be responsible and just jump to the next big job.
Then the company goes bancrupt people lose their income and there are 0 consequences flr these fuckers
Reality is, they will just rebrand employees.
You’re not a developer anymore, but a customer satisfaction consultant. Same job as before, but technically not a developer!!
Also, this is a great way to reduce headcount while seeming innovative to the market ghouls.
For those who are not in the know, the cancer of software as a service was pioneered by salesforce. The devil has created a new circle in hell where salesforce employees are sent not to compete with actual demons because even in hell there are unions.
I always thought the abomination that is SaaS came from Adobe
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lol, one of our suppliers just changed to them 1.5 years ago.
Someone managed to fuck the portal software up so much that all the ö you type in a support case get replaced by o, both in the webview and the emails. The ä and ü work fine. It’s extra fucked.
And our support team sits in Germany, we write in German sometimes. When we use English it is only for the benefit of their Tier 3 guys.
Plus the implementation of two factor sign in is now delayed by half a year already. It seems to me more developers could be helpful
Makes sense, it’s only reasonable to expect economy wide reduction in tech workers and positions as the global workforce recovers from the overtraining and overhiring that was the hallmark of the 2000s and 2010s. This is a good thing, society’s responsibility is to make retraining easy and accessible for the millions of trained tech workers who represent the overage.
The sad truth is, we hardly have any software engineers anymore. Trying to find one that is not a prompt monkey has become a serious challenge. Especially new “talent” is a waste of money. You wish it wasn’t so, but AI is on par with engineers. Especially when those engineers just end up using LLMs. Even people who want to learn now have a poisoned well where facts are impossible to find
I disagree. I used to be a software engineer (and may be again at some point) and the problem with avoiding junior developers is that we need them if we ever want to have any senior developers.
Also, LLMs don’t replace 90% of what a software engineer does. Copilot or whatever is a nice tool that spits out code. It’s not able to architect shit or choose the right tech to use in the first place.
And to be honest, it seems like A.I. progress has hit a bit of a wall and the reality is that it may take decades, trillions of dollars, and maybe even an energy revolution to ever reach its imagined potential. Look at full self-driving cars. The tech seemed like it was 90% there about a decade ago but that last 10% of any big project is the real challenge.
I’m a software engineer and you got any sources for this? We use ChatGPT and Copilot and stuff and it helps but it doesn’t seem as dire as what you’re saying from what I can see? At least not yet.
Salesforce overhired during the pandemic like everyone else and is now selling AI as their efficienc boost or whatever.
Good. They should stop frantically adding new features and tidy up some of the crap we have to use day to day.
