Employees at multiple federal agencies were ordered to remove pronouns from their email signatures by Friday afternoon, according to internal memos obtained by ABC News.

Signature /= footer

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  • Padit@feddit.orgEnglish
    15·
    4 days ago

    I always thought “uh, this thing with the pronouns in email signatures is just woke Nonsens, everyone knows what gender I am and want to be seen as” (and i still don’t really get neo-pronouns, to be frank), but I now work in a very international environment, and I am so glad if people give me their pronouns, because I can’t always tell which gender an Indian or Chinese name is. Honestly, it’s just smart to add them and they just save everyone a lot of time/confusion.

    • PersnickityPenguin@lemm.eeEnglish
      3·
      3 days ago

      I thought the same thing as well.

      I have a few trans friends and neighbors who told me that basically when they came out and tried to change gender, no one would acknowledge their new identity. So it’s a subtle way to inform other people.

      Also, I have met more than a few people whom I had no idea of their gender. So it’s actually great to read that pronoun because I don’t like playing guessing games.

  • Luvs2Spuj@lemmy.worldEnglish
    48·
    5 days ago

    Doesn’t go far enough, remove pronouns from the email body too.

    To it may concern. Notice did not complete task before deadline. Please can provide update? Look forward to reply.

  • Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    120·
    5 days ago

    This is so stupid. I know plenty of cishet people who include their pronouns in their sig because they have a gender neutral name.

      • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        3·
        5 days ago

        Of course it’s daft to mandate what people can and can’t put in their email footers but I don’t get why people put pronouns in footers.

        I’m cis male and he/him. Others can call refer to me as it/them or she/her if they wish.

        I dislike bananas but I don’t put that in my email footer.

        I haven’t seen it in a while anyway. I thought it was a fad from the late 10s

        • Fedizen@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          2 days ago

          I know a guy who saw skin tone bandages at a school and lost his mind. He ranted about it for days. People I know still refer to him as the “skin tone bandage guy”

          Believe it or not, there are a number people who are “upset at pronouns in email guys” who lose their minds over this and its actually a public service to identify people with anger issues before they do real harm

          This is why those policies exist. If everyone has their pronouns in their bio/email, the people with uncontrolled anger issues don’t have clear targets.

            • Fedizen@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              1 day ago

              There’s no assumptions. The guy was red faced and ranting for days over. Because he saw bandaids marketed at diversity.

            • nickwitha_k (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
              2·
              4 days ago

              Is your dislike of bananas an important part of your identity, both personally and how you are treated by society at large? Does making it known that you dislike bananas either verbally or through your appearance lead to a realistic possibility of facing abuse and opression, not limited to potential loss of livelihood or life?

              If not, perhaps, you can see how the two things aren’t very comparable.

              • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
                1·
                4 days ago

                No, but how people refer to me in the third person is also not an important part of my identity.

                Someone’s choice of the pronoun to assign to me says more about them and the nature of our relationship than it says about my identity.

  • MunkysUnkEnz0@lemmy.worldEnglish
    79·
    5 days ago

    For the life of me, I can’t understand why they care about someone’s sexual orientation or their pronoun.

    I ran the numbers on sex changes and it’s like .001 of the population. It’s a non-issue.

    The real issues are homelessness, inequality, Internet privacy, poisons in our food and workers’ rights…

    Not fucking pronouns.

    • Fedizen@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      2 days ago

      https://thenewinquiry.com/the-scapegoating-machine/

      Peter Thiel has many times loudly stated his goal since 9/11: Create scapegoats so the public has somebody to blame for their suffering and his fervent belief this will keep billionaires safe. My guess is most billionaires see it this way.

      if you want to see a way to defeat this idea look up Thiel’s interview with Piers Morgan after Luigi Mangione allegedly killed Brian Thompson

    • Sterile_Technique@lemmy.worldEnglish
      44·
      5 days ago

      For the life of me, I can’t understand why they care about someone’s sexual orientation or their pronoun.

      They don’t. It’s classic divide and conquer tactics to package up the general population into nice bite-sized chunks that they can destroy individually with minimal resistance from the others. Exact same shit is how the Nazis rose to power.

    • Rozaŭtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      32·
      5 days ago

      They don’t care. The tactic is to have a minority that you can blame for all the bad things.

      100 years ago it was the jews secretly running the world, today it’s the evil trans people and immigrants conspiring to destroy The West™.

    • Fluid@aussie.zoneEnglish
      11·
      5 days ago

      Got to distract from the real issues somehow. Gotta keep that wealth extraction and concentrating system of exploitation alive. Can’t have the slave rising up to overthrow their masters again…

    • ArchRecord@lemm.eeEnglish
      5·
      4 days ago

      Two core reasons:

      1. Demonization. They need someone to demonize, that distracts voters and the general populace away from their own misdeeds, and lack of functional policy. If you’re too busy getting angry at the trans people, you won’t strike against the Billionaires.
      2. Insecurity. If the world isn’t actually as simple as you thought, your entire ideology is based on putting people into given labels and boxes to make your life easier, idealizing a nonexistent past, etc, then the world changing in any non-standard way is seen as something to be extremely afraid of. This is also what drives their concerns over immigrants (“replacing” their community’s racial dynamic), homeless people (“not wanting to work” like they did), climate change (this couldn’t possibly happen because then the industries and consumption you had your whole life would have to change), progressive education and scientific growth (learning new things about how what we used to think was wrong), etc. It’s all rooted in just wanting things to stay the same.
    • Tja@programming.devEnglish
      2·
      4 days ago

      Well, eggs are back to $1 a dozen and everyone has housing and excellent healtcare coverage, so you can focus on renaming gulfs and prosecuting minorities…

    • Taleya@aussie.zoneEnglish
      2·
      4 days ago

      They need an ‘enemy’ to rally people against and all the usual suspects are no longer politically expedient

  • MiDaBa@lemmy.mlEnglish
    23·
    4 days ago

    MAGA voters couldn’t identify a pronoun in high school. How are they supposed to figure it out now?

    • threshold_dweller@lemmy.todayEnglish
      2·
      4 days ago

      I, too, dislike being employed.

      But seriously most people will not risk their livelihood for it. It is almost guaranteed to end up in court like so many other of Trump’s bullshit policies.

          • liyunxiao@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            1·
            4 days ago

            …Trump offered all federal employees 7 months salary to quit. He signed two executive orders today to unilaterally dissolve some federal agencies.

            You logically cannot believe hes not in his night of long knives period. Someone with the care to put pronouns in their work communication isn’t loyal to Trump, and thus logically wouldn’t survive the firing and agency shutdowns Trump is currently actively doing.

            I get you disliked China and Chinese people but are you really letting that poison your logic to the point you’re ignoring reality. Is your insistence that Chinese people are wrong in all things worth not paying attention to the half dozen executive orders a day which is actively getting the US government?

            • threshold_dweller@lemmy.todayEnglish
              3·
              4 days ago

              So no. Just more lies and distortions. Trump is plenty bad without making up lies.

              My antipathy is towards those who, like you, consistently advocate for the authoritarian CCP, whilst also trying to incite people against their own governments.

  • w3dd1e@lemm.eeEnglish
    32·
    5 days ago

    Sorry to all the Blakes, Dylans, Ashleys, Francises, Shannons, Frankies, Charlies, Rorys, Blairs, Leslies, Angels, Billies, Sams, Kellys, Danas, Harleys, Adins, Caseys, and all the other non-binary/gender neutral names that I can’t think of right now.

    -signed a person with a non-binary name

  • ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.worldEnglish
    37·
    5 days ago

    And yet again, the Tangerine Palpatine is focusing on stupid shit.

    Farmers unable to gather their harvest? The working and middle classes being squeezed into oblivion? Grocery prices skyrocketing? Unknown drones taunting our military bases? Military helicopters colliding with commercial jets?

    Nah, none of that stuff matters! Instead we just focus on fucking pronouns in emails!

    What an absolute fucking joke.

    Edit: fixed a typo.

    • ShareMySims@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      9·
      5 days ago

      Nah, none of that stuff matters!

      No, not to him, that’s the point.

      How much more deliberate in their oppressing and exploiting do those in power need to be before people stop expecting any different?

      They’re there to serve themselves, not society

  • oleorun@real.lemmy.fanOPMEnglish
    32·
    5 days ago

    What about the people who often have DDoD, OCIS, NCIS, CCNA, CCNP, A+, Ph.D, MA, MBA, BA, BS, K12, SCRUMDIDDLYUMPTIOUS after their names? Can we get rid of title abuse then never focus on pronouns?

    • Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      5·
      4 days ago

      Man, I spent a lot of money and time for my post-nominals, I don’t care if they’re 100% irrelevant to what I do, they’re getting used in every god damn email.

      (Helps that I only have one, though. And to be clear, I am happy to vehemently argue this point for months/years to steal focus from pronouns).