Problem solving. Maybe we shouldn’t have pushed STEM so hard to the underpaid, unemployed, underinsured masses.
-Somebody with the wherewithal probably
it’s getting really difficult to not find him attractive
I KNOW RIGHT
Like he’s literally a computer science nerd who reads books and hates billionairesI am a man and I still crave his presence
Don’t think it’s exclusive to women, so maybe you just swing for the other team in some way.
I mean, who wouldn’t in this case
No, Mr Mangione! A Fortune 500 executive is a living, enterprising creature!
I don’t care…heheheh <ebike swerves onto sidewalk>
Luigiesque: Portrait of an Assassin
I love how transparent the billionaire media is now. everything I’ve heard about this guy is a character assassination or speculative at best.
they even mobbed the highschool he graduated from…EIGHT YEARS AGO. All to get some clips they can piece together to fit the narrative that he’s “a bad crazy man with a gun”.
this shooting has certainly scared the fucking shit out of the aristocracy though. you can tell how scared they are by how hard the media is pushing the story of his capture.
Like he’s literally a comp sci nerd who reads books. Literally how can they make him into a bad guy?! everything I learn about him makes me even more down diabolical
The article spelled Hero wrong…
It’s from the BBC, they are using the British spelling.
Doesn’t look like the guy on the video.
I admit I’m kinda disappointed. He pulled out almost perfect assassination that looked well thought out, managed to get away with only a few hickups in his plan as far as his face is considered, and then walks around with a murder weapon and a manifesto in his bag? Shame, really. All he needed was to lay low for a while, grow a beard and he’d probably be OK.
You don’t understand.
The fact that he wrote a manifesto meant he wanted to get caught. The taking the murder weapon and the manifesto to the McDonald’s was his way of saying he had gotten bored waiting for the cops to catch him. He pretty much turned himself in.
Don’t be disappointed. I guessed he was going to do this, and for good reason. His options were to either, live a life in fear, worrying that one day he would be caught, or, to basically give him self up, and elect for a Jury trial. Jury nullification is one os the most powerful tools available to the average, non-rich american. If he goes through the trial and gets acquited (which only takes 1 juror), then hes a free man, a folk hero, and he sets the precident that killing rich murderers isn’t an automatic crime.
What he’s doing is the smartest available option, please donate to his legal defense fund.
a court case also draws out media coverage, possibly more than an extended search would
and gets acquited (which only takes 1 juror)
Unfortunately this is not true. 1 juror alone can hang the jury, but they’d have to convince all the other jurors to actually render a verdict of not guilty to avoid a mistrial
Have you ever been on a jury? In my experience it’s 2-4 strong personalities and a bunch of people confused by lawyer speak (because two confident authority figures are telling them to believe e two different things and they can’t reconcile the contradiction) and people who just want to go home and thus go along with the strong personalities.
Isn’t it always said that jurys are made up of people not smart enough to get out of jury duty.
I almost want to believe this guy saw how similar he was to the photos and how famous the shooter was getting and decided to take the fall by wandering around in public with some incriminating circumstantial evidence until someone reported him so he could take the credit.
You’re supposed to grow the beard before and shave it off after. Its much faster to shave it off than grow it back
As a girl, shit.
No worries gurl, you can still use a wig and fake beard
For sure this has not been planted at all.
Only a bit more subtle than Russians https://www.vice.com/en/article/russia-sims-3/
The gun is planted. They just found a crazy guy in order to convince everyone that they actually found the culprit.
I find that kind of unlikely. If they wanted to frame someone just to have a killer, they wouldn’t be talking about a “3D printed ghost gun”, but just use a regular gun. I, for one, haven’t known that it’s possible to 3D print a pretty well working, and silenced, gun. And that might inspire someone - acquiring weapons is the harder part of any such murder, assuming you don’t want to get caught, and the fact that you can get it without anyone knowing about it makes it way easier.
People misunderstand 3d printed guns. We use mostly normal gun parts bought anywhere, but legally the pistol handle is considered the gun, and the most popular commercial ones have been plastic for decades. So 3d print that glock frame and put a glock slide on it and you’ve got a cheap glock (and outside of like 3 States, that’s totally legal).
There’s fairly large 3d printing gun communities, mostly because it’s just fun to build things.
3d printed silencers are much more rare / fragile because those are illegal to make without ATF approval and silencers need to withstand heat and pressure, so the typical plastic can’t withstand prolonged use.
They know the guy is a engineer. They came up with the 3D printed gun because it fits with the character, and gives politician an excuse to ban 3D printers all together, “for our safety!”.
I’m speculating and being a conspiracy theory, but in theory this could make sense. Nobody will ever find out the truth, I’m afraid.
Just yesterday this video of Mike Shake popped in my feed: https://youtu.be/tHzuz09l41U
Essentially a sniper rifle with compressed air able to propel a 3d-printed bullet at sub-sonic speeds able to break a simulated skull. And it penetrated hard enough to for sure cause major complication for the target. Not to mention that lead slugs can easily be made DIY without much complications and skill. Lead can be melted pretty easily so lol.
Not much to do besides being able to cut a pipe, make a release mechanism and compile it all with a projectile to shoot. Done is your makeshift weapon.
To my knowledge, he claimed specifically the money in his bag was planted. Specifically they said there was US and foreign cash in his bag. The fact that Luigi is denying the cash but admitting to the gun and manifesto. To me I think he knew he was going down… but I would be far from supprised if the money was planted either to raise it up to 1st degree murder… or while I’m very far from legally qualified… if they could try and claim he was doing a job for an enemy of the US, could they buypass the trial?
If they did that and the real killer killed again, what would that achieve? Or is this a one-and-done thing?
If they did that and the real killer killed again, what would that achieve?
More dead CEOs, I guess. I’m down with that.
I doubt you will be when the costs of everything go up due to all the corporations hiring massive security teams.
Something that doesn’t seem to occur to so many of you and something most of you have no response to. In fact, the only response I occasionally get is that it’s worth the cost, which seems to go against the whole reason for the assassination in the first place.
How much do you think it costs to hire a security detail? I’m pretty sure security for the entire C-suite would be a tiny drop in the bucket for most mega-corporations.
Whether it costs a dollar or a billion dollars, who do you think is going to pay for it?
If they could squeeze out an extra dollar then they would already do so. They don’t need to justify it as “increased security costs”.
Not that I’m fully on board with the theory, but you might be surprised how often “solving” a high profile case is placed above actually getting the right man.
This is a publicity nightmare for the police, and getting someone in custody “achieves” placating the public and key stakeholders.
Repeating things about this kids views on the Uni-bomber and referring to his writings as a manifesto “achieves” diminishing his status as a folk hero.
So while I won’t endorse any particular theory until more evidence comes out, it wouldn’t be the first time putting a scapegoat in jail was deemed more important than letting people think the “perp” got away. Even if the hypothetical real shooter kills again, controlling the narrative can be it’s own goal in cases like this.
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Lemmy went from being outraged at the elections to becoming un ironical Unabomber stans so fast that I didn’t even realized it
I don’t think it’s fair to liken luigi to the unibomber. Ignoring that his methods were also crazy. The biggest thing to point out on the unibomber is his victims were every day people. Obviously his method was made with collateral damage as a high possibility.
Luigi, his political leanings seem to be all over the place. But at the end of the day his only victim, was someone who inarguably made choices knowing they would result in the deaths of many people, and bankrupt and ruin the lives of many more.
Linking him to the Unibomber is exactly what they want you to do. Good job.
All places of freedons have room for Uncle Ted. He did belong in prison for killing innocents.
And him loving the Unabomber sure gives me some incel vibes.
Yeah I can’t help but feel from everything I read he’s a bit of a STEMcel, but hating health insurance companies is one thing that unites almost all Americans.
The people shooting Trump would maybe have a 10% approval rating if they succeeded. This healthcare CEO got the whole working class celebrating his deposal. It is truly impressive.
Trump, for all his flaws, isn’t bankrupting and killing people (at least not directly). Also he’s kind of dumb and I think people see that.
Dude, what tells you he “loved” the Unabomber? All I’ve seen is a five-paragraph review of his book of which three paragraphs were a quote.
And the other two paragraphs said…?
“I love the Unabomber!” over and over again… Guess that’s a bit of a clue 🤔
Does the police media briefing affect his right to a fair trial? They mentioned his motivation and mindset and a note. Apparently he implied money had been planted in the charge hearing.
Luigi Mangione is a CEO shooting suspect.
FIFY
Doesn’t look like the right guy to me
He also had a three-page handwritten manifesto that included grievances with the US healthcare system, a document that spoke to the suspect’s “motivation and mindset”, officials said.
Publish it then.
We wouldn’t want to arouse ill-will toward health insurers /s
Deny that you know or even saw them. Defend them if they do get caught, through protest, fundraising, bail, etc. Depose those who put them in jail if they are sentenced.
He was carrying it around for absolutely no reason and for long enough to get caught with it? Bullshit, it’s manufactured evidence.
This thing about a guy at Macdonald’s recognizing his eyes also sounds bit strange tbh
First thought that came to mind as well, it sounds very implausible for him to be carrying a manifesto.
Unless he planned on not surviving
Not surviving what, the bus ride?
The arrest
Another thought I had is what if he was still writing it?
A week after?
I’m totally speculating, but if he’s been on the run, he may not have changed his plans on certain… conclusions.
Perhaps, yes
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Well, a YouTube account with the shooters name posted a video today titled “truth” which was basically saying that there were videos scheduled to be made public in the near future (presumably on the same account), which would speak to his motivations and mind set or something of the sort.
Instead of telling you about it, I would prefer to just link the video, but according to YouTube, the account associated with the YouTube channel has been removed, so you can believe me or not on this. the video was only up for about 4 hours and when I saw it, maybe 30 minutes before it was removed from YouTube, it had 10’s of thousands of views. I know those counters aren’t exactly real time, so it’s not unreasonable to think that upwards of 100k people saw it, maybe more, and unless one of them saved it, it’s likely that nobody else will see it.
It’s still here for now
Lol, Twitter?! Seriously? I’m not even going to click that shit. I know it’s not real.
This is fabricated
That may be so, but the claim in the context that the YouTube handle doesn’t match his Twitter handle is wrong
http://web.archive.org/web/20241209203920/https://www.youtube.com/@PepMangione
I’m not sure about the claim that the account was created yesterday. This article claims it was created in January, but I’m not sure if that can be verified now that the account has been removed
Pretty sure that YT account was faked, or mis-related to Mangione
It will be impossible to ever know whether or was or not.
Ikr
My tin foil hat theory is that he was planning out another shooting and got interrupted.
Or he consider himself a crusader for a cause more than a vigilante and was carrying it to get more attention to his beliefs.
And yet instead of waiting around to get lots of attention and people *quoting things he said before cops arrived he quietly got on a bus. Doesn’t track.
*fucking worthless autocorrect
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Wow thanks for posting
Give them time to write it up! They police are having problems with the shared Google Doc permissions.
and the reading, don’t forget the reading
Historically speaking, pigs can’t read.
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Hey you got your account back!!
Are you referring to the 2FA problem I had? I brute-forced it with a simple Bash script utilizing Lemmy API. Our instance doesn’t seem to have rate-limiting.
s e k u r e
Yea, Oh Cool.
Why do I keep reading his name as “Luigi’s Mansion”
Lucky the police got him before he got nintendo’ed.
Reported by a worker at McD. Wtf, they’re the group that would benefit the most from a change in the healthcare system. Idiot.
Simply a lack of class consciousness. America has worked hard since the rise of the USSR to topple workers power through union busting and destruction of community.
Basically we are built by our material conditions.
$50k is 1-2 years pay for the person who reported him. For them, that short term relief was worth more than the highly improbable outcome where this man’s actions actually impact their life in a positive way in the next few months. Money wins almost every time
I’m glad the rat will most likely get denied their pellet.
Some of us aren’t brainwashed into bloodlust by marxist bullshit, even though we’re poor.
Some of us would like it if we and people like us were not poor for the rest of time.
We can’t tell you who squealed, but it was one of the dozen employees at this McDonald’s. Probably the one that’s going to change jobs soon…
I’d be pissed and scared if I was an employee at that McDonald’s
One doesn’t have to go far to find a boot-licking class traitor who thinks if they run the rat race well enough they’ll get a piece of cheese.
But to be fair to the McDonalds worker, the cash reward is designed to do just that.
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He had everything on him to get caught and convicted. I don’t think he wanted to run forever.
Jokes on you if you think this is going to change anything
Oh look, something changed: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/12/05/health/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-anesthesia-claim-limits
Oh look, nothing relevant changed. Looks like my comment still stands.
Need those goalposts moved again? I’d be happy to do it for you for $20.
Don’t need to move goal posts when nothing has changed. Get back to me with a relevant story.
Meanwhile people are still dying because of claims being denied, which you know, is the whole point of this story, or “goal post”.
Here you are saying the actions of people don’t have meaning. You feel smug because you proved yourself right. Seems the only power you have here is convincing others they are as powerless as you.
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Because they rely on “tips” , as the corporation is unable to pay a wage that is sufficient to support a basic standard of living. If only capitalist weren’t so greedy they wouldn’t be relying on the tips to survive.
I worked at McDonalds for a few years when I was younger. They didn’t let us get tips.
Also worked there. There is no McDonald’s that has ever allowed tips. It’s against their corporate rules. I even saw an employee get written up for accepting a tip, once.
One of us
So you’re a killer?
I kill bugs all day long.
One of us.
Him… Him, that guy, him, that dude, me, this guy, that guy over there, the dude next to him, the guy by the bathrooms, and the line beside it, the lady by the punchbowl, I don’t know the pronoun of the dj, but I heard them agree as well.
There’s a picture of him holding a McD happy meal?? He had the gun and manifesto just laying there in his backpack? You f’ing kidding??
Some elite fucks used an advanced AI search algorithm to search a bunch of people who vaguely looked like him. Input term search for social media and ‘reviews’ to further narrow down until you find someone who has a few tweets and posts that the media can point to say “yup hey look, he liked Kzynski’s manifesto on goodreads…got the guy!”. Plant evidence, and you got your scapegoat.
This poor kids’ life is ruined. And he will probably be threatened if he doesn’t plead guilty and waive jury trial. He’ll get a visit from the MIB threatening to skin his family alive in front of him if he doesn’t play along.
Reading these fantasy takes is exhausting. It’s hard to want to be a part of a community that supports this guy by gaslighting everyone, saying things like “it’s not the same guy in the four photos!” Just hundreds of people all convinced they can secure this guys freedom by acting dumb and face blind- you’ve created a whole fictional scenario here that’s just unbelievable and unrealistic.
If he didn’t want to get caught he shouldn’t have left DNA all over, shouldn’t have taken off his mask, shouldn’t be carrying the murder weapon days later… He could have helped himself but instead there’s an army of idiots who are probably just creating this fan fiction to impress their peers. It’s very childish though. This guy tried to do something which is commendable, or maybe he’s just mentally ill, but I’m just tired of reading all this nonsense. Who are you signalling to?
I posted this elsewhere, but this is one of the few times I buy the conspiracy theory, not the official story.
Dude pulls off a targeted assassination, gets away clean, trolls the cops with a bag of monopoly money, gets out of the state, stays essentially hidden for almost a week… And then gets clocked by some poor maccas employee and gets taken in with a manifesto AND a gun on his person?
It’s the nazi flag and 3 copies of The Sims all over again, except this time the folks doing it are slightly more competent and actually pulled it off.
This case is so important, so high profile, that they just need to arrest someone ASAP. Anyone. And that person is not in for a good time.
There’s a simple explanation: He wanted to keep on the move, and he wanted to be able to take down other targets.
smh that doesn’t fit the narrative
His face jas been plastered everywhere for the past week. My YouTube home page literally had 3-4 thumbnails of his face on every reload. Lemmy…X…news sites…massive exposure.
So yah…some random worker notices his face looks kind of similar while he’s dining at his favorite spot and bam. Don’t forget there was a $10k bounty, plenty of fast food workers might be itching to collect on something like that.
He probably figured once he was questioned about anything that they’d eventually get him so he prepared for that scenario. Or maybe this wasn’t even his last stop on his triple-D tour so he was still geared up.
We’ll see him in court. If he’s innocent then he make a pretty good argument and then we can decide whether to raise eyebrows but this all just seems Q-anon levels of silly right now.
there was a $10k bounty,
$60k. $10k from NYPD and $50k from the FBI.
$50k from the FBI?! You gotta be shitting me… If this happened to anyone of us the FBI wouldn’t give a single fuck.
To be fair, people were posting actors who look like the very shitty pictures we have of the guy too, and I buy some of them. Honestly, the picture we have looks more like Timothée Chalamet than this guy. I’m not saying it isn’t this guy, or it is Chalamet, but there’s a shit ton of people in this world, and a lot look like the shooter.
Edit to add: I’ll never trust the word of the authorities. They have to prove that this is the man. It’s their duty, not ours.
If you look at a photo of the guy taken from above him, so a similar angle to the surveillance camera, he looks very similar. I do think it’s him.
If you will not trust authorities how do you expect them to prove it to you?
Trusting the authorities is absofuckinglutely the dumbest motherfucking take anyone can have in this capitalistic hellscape.
They’re going to have to take it to court and provide evidence. Trust is what you give to someone without the need for evidence. If they can prove it, then sure I’ll believe it. I’m not just going to trust that they’re correct without that though.
Is there a reason to think there will be no trial and this guy by some reason will end up in some CIA black site without trial?
I just find it interesting that someone who has absolutely no trust in authorities does not have a theory that court can be influenced by the same authorities.
end up in some CIA black site without trial?
No, he’d end up Epsteined. If the evidence were a plant, he’d be of no use to them alive.
Even if they proved it was him it doesn’t matter. When OJ was acquitted, Jurors admitted they did it as a fuck you to the LAPD and justice system.
The fantasy takes are so close to the people that still believe GameStop and AMC will still have a short squeeze.
It reminds me of people in the UFO community.
I understand where you’re coming from. I was in your shoes about 15 years ago, hearing about “crazy conspiracies” or perspectives like mine and dismissing them as baseless and ‘fantasy’.
My brother/sister, let me be crystal clear—both to you and anyone else who happens to read this: unless you’ve worked in my field, which I can say with near certainty you haven’t, then you haven’t seen, witnessed, or experienced the things I have.
I say this in all seriousness: these people have unimaginable resources and capabilities. They possess the willpower and determination to execute plans like the ones I’ve described—and far, far worse. I’ve seen far more extreme measures taken for far less than what might be perceived as even a minor threat to the capitalist power structure. They’ve invested immense effort into building and maintaining this system, and I can tell you from personal experience that they’ll go to great lengths to protect it. This is not some wild fantasy or baseless conspiracy theory—it’s entirely within the realm of possibility, and is our reality.
That said, I completely understand and respect your skepticism. I wouldn’t blame you if you don’t believe me. In fact, I’d expect you not to. Why should you? I’m just an anonymous person behind a pseudonym on a random discussion board, and I have no concrete evidence to present—only my word.
Take from this what you will.
unless you’ve worked in my field, which I can say with near certainty you haven’t, then you haven’t seen, witnessed, or experienced the things I have
I’ll bite, what field are you in?
I hope mental healthcare, but on the receiving end
I think he knew he was going to get caught. Words on bullets, monopoly money… It’s trying to make the story larger and larger. Pretty sure he will make a show in front of the jury.
I don’t know if that will work, but I respect that more than he killed the pig without making clear why.
You can’t convince me this is the real shooter, this guy looks more like Skeet from Jimmy Neutron than the “Grin Reaper” in the now famous pic
I said this to many folks IRL, the guy the NYPD charges will not be the shooter. just some poor sap that gets sent to prison for life because he had a dissenting opinion.
it’s the high price we pay to keep them in power.
What would “the elites” stand to gain from framing this dude, while the actual killer is still on the loose?
This is pretty unhinged, to be honest.
to make an example of someone to try to dissuade others from following in his footsteps
By sending him to prison?
That’s not really telling people anything they didn’t already know.
The killer is not as dangerous as the approval for his act. The government wants to prevent copycat vigilantes by making an example out of him. Regardless whether this guy is guilty or not, they’ll drag him through the deepest mud and then string him up with the harshest possible sentence, to discourage others from gunning down CEOs.
I very much doubt the possibility of going to prison will deter someone pissed off enough to kill someone.
I’m not adopting the conspiracy here, but if they can’t find the shooter with the whole country getting behind him, then they would want the optics of finding the shooter. Which could backfire, of course. It would be very telling, for example, if the cops got real confident about it and then the real shooter made some kind of public display with the false shooter in custody.
This was my thought process, too. If they got a framed guy here, the actual CEO killer would likely or hopefully do something else to let the public know that they were still out there.
Yeah, thats part of the reason I don’t buy it. If the actual killer acts again, it will be very embarrassing for the police.
They gain by preventing copycat killers. If other poors think that he got away with it, they might think they can, too.
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Yeah, I get that. However, the optics of having a successful “martyr” symbol is very, very dangerous. A wide scope of narrative means difficult to control. Difficult to control introduces “motivator to action” symbols among a, I think, specific (and quite populous) demographic (think of all the young males with zero purpose, waiting to seize on an opportunity for a real life Mr Robot, for example)… “well if he could do it, get away with it, AND become a ’hero’, what’s stopping me from doing the same?”
Having someone, anyone, buys time to craft the narrative and gauge public sentiment and, most importantly, dampen the probability of a revolutionary ’spark’ if you will.
Obviously we don’t have enough information here. It very well could be the dude they have in custody. I am only sharing one possible theory based off my experience and observations. And there are a number of very suspect observations here that are in line with narrative management.
I think the actual truth is, this guy isn’t a criminal mastermind, and he got caught.
He also looks a lot like the surveillance photo.
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On the upside, some people were pointing out he comes from a rich family
Not rich, but reasonably well off.
He was an ivy league grad, vacations in Bali, and his family owns a country club and a chain of nursing homes. He almost certainly has more money than the guy he shot.
You think that a lone assailant had more money than the CEO of one of two branches of the 9th largest company in the world by revenue and largest health insurance company in the US? And if so, why wouldn’t he have hired a hitman with all that money instead? Or just paid for medical bills out of pocket? Or just had his own doctor that only served him and prescribed whatever he wanted?
He was CEO, not founder. The dude was only worth around $50 million. The shooters family owns a country club and an entire chain of nursing homes. They almost certainly have more money, probably a lot more money.
I can’t answer your other questions. Perhaps the answers will be in his manifesto.
No way that he personally had more money than the CEO, from just looking at his work history. Maybe his whole family has more money than the CEO, but if we compared whole families against each other, the CEOs family would still come out on top.
