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Oligarchies gonna ollygark.
Trash country. Trash electorate.
Asterisk on Canada’s not free post secondary
The majority of the cost is paid for citizens so it’s still better than the US
Maybe a bronze. I went to a technical college in Canada (as a permanent resident), so by no means very expensive, but it’s taken me over decade to pay off.
I don’t think it medals but we aren’t tied with them
I’ve never worked a single job in the US that didn’t have sick and vacation hours. Granted it was like 5 seconds allowed every 7 years but still.
Me neither, but in the US a business is not required to offer paid sick or vacation time, so it stands to reason that some don’t. Actually I take part of that back - as a software developer I have done contracts for agencies that did not offer either. Of course the pay rate for contracting is so high it didn’t matter to me, but the fact is they didn’t.
Well contract work is categorized different from “full time employment”. I’m not saying it’s right but I don’t know of any contract gigs that give anything other than money.
Self employment is the big difference. There are agencies that deal with freelancers and others that hire people as employees and send them to client sites. I’ve worked for both kinds but when they offered benefits they weren’t that great. I remember literally laughing out loud when I read one benefits brochure - the insurance cost like $3k a year and had an annual coverage ceiling of $7k. Maybe enough to cover one ambulance ride and ER visit lol.
Yeah I worked for a prestigious hospital years back, but through a contracting company so I couldn’t even get medical from the hospital I worked at.
Eventually I got coverted over to an actual employee of the hospital, but I still couldn’t afford their coverage because I wasn’t making enough at the time lol.
Our medical industry is so fucked.
Neither of them are actually a legal requirement. What is offered is basically part of the “compensation package” (it’s considered part of your pay) in the US. Also there are A LOT of jobs in the US that don’t give paid sick time or vacation time, they are usually pretty far down the hierarchy though, and the jobs that do give paid time off typically don’t give it to you until you have been employed there for at least a year.
I don’t think this graphic is stating you cannot get any of these things in the US, but none of these things are guaranteed by the government.
i dont even have sick hours anymore its all pto. so if i get sick i just lose my vacation
I used to work at a company that did this. White collar, but we would often work stat days, and we were salary. So our PTO was x days vacation time, y days stat days, and z days sick days. Vacation time was the legally mandated or higher, stat days were the legally mandated, and then sick days were on top of that (no legally mandated paid sick days where I live). If you got sick a lot (and actually didn’t work anyway) you had less vacation time. If you didn’t get sick a lot, you had more vacation time. If you worked some stat days, you had even more vacation time. It worked for everybody and meant there was no reason to worry if people were actually sick when they took a sick day - it was just unplanned PTO.
If you get additional PTO to allow for sick days, I’m not sure why you’re complaining. That’s a perspective issue. If you don’t, I definitely get it.
i dont get any additional PTO for sick days, so its basically get lucky enough to not get sick or never take a day off
Yeah that’s a change that kinda sucks. If I’m sick just don’t pay me for that day. Don’t take it outta my vacation funds lol
my company used to do that but now that they went corporate if i call in sick and dont have vacation i get a point if i get too many points i get fired. i already have 3 because i got sick in december. absolute horseshit
I hope you’re able to find better work somewhere else man. That’s total BS.
got an interview monday so heres hoping lol
Think bigger
Not exactly sure what you mean in this context. Should I think about taking bigger vacations?
I think they’re saying that those conditions are still poor and you (as in everyone) should fight for more
Yeah that makes more sense.
Yeah the data all shows and has shown for a long time that people do better work and have better morale when companies treat them better. Unfortunately it costs the companies a little money so GET BACK TO WORK
SLAVEEMPLOYEE I DONT CARE IF YOU GET EVERYONE AT WORK SICK.I will never understand why bosses want me to come into work and potentially take out EVEN more of your staff with illness lol. Like yeah your short handed if I’m gone. You’re gonna be even more short handed when all three of your customer service staff get sick Becky.
And many jobs also pay you health insurance. But the point is that in other countries, social security is not attached to your employment. If you get fired, you receive unemployment and health care until you get your next job (details and quality of social system vary per country though).
Even if you have a job that pays for health insurance, it’s still not as good as a universal health system with a single payer. There’s deductibles to pay. In Canada, if I need to go to the ER, my biggest financial concern is paying for parking.
And even if you eliminate the deductibles, it’s still not as good as a public health system because you also need to worry about whether a provider is in network and then your insurance company can just deny coverage because their whole point is to profit and not doing what their stated purpose is is an easy way to make more profit.
There are different models. For example in Portugal and in the UK there’s public health system where you have the right to health care as a citizen, and it’s paid by social security, which is a tax on you income. In Germany you instead have mandatory insurance, but the government pays for you if you can’t. This you pay a % of your salary but it’s not considered a tax. In the end it’s just different models of the same thing.
Are the insurance providers in Germany public or for-profit private entities?
Yeah, those bottom two are flat-out wrong. Now, if it said something like “generous paid sick leave/vacation,” it remains correct.
No they aren’t.
I’ve worked many jobs, mostly retail and food service that has no option for any pto, sick or otherwise.
If you wanted time off outside of your scheduled hours, you could try to switch shifts with someone, or get someone to cover your shift, or, depending on the company, ask them for unpaid time, some would sometimes allow that, some wouldn’t.
Right, but this chart it saying it doesn’t exist at all. That’s not true. “Universal” paid sick leave/vacation would be a better descriptor than “generous.”
Wait usa doesn’t have any of that? Lefties, let them have the country, it was never worth a damn anyway.
We need to stop calling it “free” college. It’s not free. It’s a worthwhile investment we all pay for and reap the benefits of.
We don’t call it a “free military.”
College is free, uni isn’t
Not our fault just one country uses the word incorrectly
I don’t understand why that matters ultimately? The point is “free” is not a good word for it, whether it’s college or university. It’s not “free” and we don’t call anything else we pay for with taxes “free.” All it does is create an easy attack vector for detractors and misrepresent it.
I feel like it depends on your translation and how you define “free”.
I like to compare it to the differences between expenses and costs. Which is something people often confuse. Expenses are talking about the outflow of money and costs are talking about the effect of it on the bottom line.
“Free” education is free, because it’s not an expense it can be considered and indirect cost. It might never be something that is paid if you never pay taxes for whatever reason.
People also consider their social security income free because they don’t need to do more for it than filling in a form often online
You’re missing the point. They’re saying it’s not free, it’s funded by the government/tax dollars.
Also languages develop regionally and sometimes use different words. It’s so 2010 to assert regional differences are “wrong.” Gag me with a spoon.
I think I understand your concern, but how do you very briefly describe what’s happening a better way?
Schools in the US are “free”, although they are generally funded by taxes. I think if you said to most people that society benefits from a good basic education for everyone, they would agree.
If you said that should apply to higher education, it doesn’t sound like too much of a stretch.
If you then said “we should have the same standard of education and funding for the entire nation”, many people would say “No way”, because America, and that would mean centralized funding and standards and stuff. It’s always that last part.
National education. Funded degrees. Paid-for education. Universal education. Lots of options.
We don’t call it free healthcare do we?
College is almost free in Québec, CA. You just pay administration fees, I believe around 200-300$ CAD for a semester.
When they write “college” in the image I think they mean university, not CEGEP. University is still a good ways from free, being $4k-$5k/yr. And that’s just for in province students, it’s more for non-Quebec but still Canadian students.
In Germany (and maybe the other listed countries but I’m less informed on them), university is free as well. I think it also doesn’t depend which state you’re from.
Indeed University is way more expensive. 5k/yr is nothing like US but definitely not free. It actually took me 10+ years to pay back my student loan…
It’s not strictly true collage or university as it’s know in the rest of the world, in the UK it’s only Scotland that gets free tuition, not the rest of us, higher education which is 16-18 is free
Came to say this. Most people in the UK have to pay tuition for university. There is a govt loan but you’re still paying it, plus interest
Should be interest free. No reason for anyone to profit off higher education, other than the actual educators. Admin can suck a dick.
In France, college is free only if you’re from a underpriviledged social class, and only for a limited time.
I didn’t qualify as “boursier”, my tuition was around 400€/year through out bachlore and master degrees (école d’ingénieurs). It’s not so expensive. I still was able to claim 90€/month of help for housing (CAF). My friends who qualified paid 0€ for tuition, and they also got more for housing but I don’t remember how much. This was from 2011~2016.
In south Germany today, a foreigner, who can’t claim any financial help, has to pay 3000~4000€/semester.
Still far far away from what education costs in USA from what I’ve heard.
Our local university charges $440/year for parking :/
How much is tuition?
Some have different tuition for if you’re in state or from out of state, so around 10K usually for in state and around 20K for out of state, but some are 30K to 60K for the fancier universities in my state.
That’s per year or total?
I’m pretty sure it’s per year, it’s been a while since I looked at tuitions but the in / out of state tuitions for my school (8k and 33k) match what they list on the schools website for a full academic year for in and out of state students.
That’s just tuition so it doesn’t include cost of the dorm (8k), meal plans (5 or 6k depending on the level), and books (estimated $700), among other fees and stuff.
Foreigners from outside the EU pay between 3000€ and 4000€ by year (not semester) today in France, but licence, master and even PhD are cheaper than 400€ for European students. We are lucky, but still it’s not free.
It sure is not free. I am very fortunate it didn’t have to worry about money during my studies, as my parents were supporting me. But for my friend who was “boursier” and didn’t have to pay anything for the tuition, he still had to go in debt in order to have money for all the essentials (groceries, gas, etc). Studying engineering in France it not something you can do while having a part time job. We had around 35h of classes per week not including self study, practicing for exams and the almost mandatory parties :D
Yeah, no, livving isn’t free. You aren’t paid to study. However the loans offered, at least in Sweden, are at the lowest interest found. They even beat public sector interest rates. So you’d be hard pressed to find better terms.
Imagine having to pay 20-30k extra per year on top of that. Unless you are ambitious…
Not perfect but that’s sooooo much better than throwing them in jail for cheap labor.
Higher education is 16-18? That’s still included in our compulsory education in the US. Can children choose to drop out at 16 there?
How it works in the UK:
- School: 5 - 16 years old
- College or Sixth Form: 16-18 years old
- University: 18years+
College is actually akin to high-school in the UK, and is tuition free but university is not. The person who made this graphic probably googled ‘free college UK’ and didn’t understand the word means something different there
Not legally, but some of them do. You need to be in some form of education until you turn 18
It’s probably a vernacular thing then. In the US, 16-18 is “secondary education” and college is considered “higher education”
In the UK, secondary education is 11-16, further education is 16-18 and higher education is after that.
When I was in secondary education you could leave at 16.
But to confuse things even more, colleges are places to go from 16, not to be confused with sixth-forms which do much the same thing, but are attached to secondary education schools.
The USA also has states that have free college, which is done with lottery funds.
Yeah probably better to say we have a state run loans system, with fair repayment terms, that any resident is entitled to. So better than some countries but still not free.
From the point of view of the Owners, the US is leading and the rest of the world has a lot of catching up to do.
The bottom 3 are all a thing in the US lol. I have a coworker getting 6 months paid maternity leave.
This meme is looking at the worst employment situations and represents the entire country as that. Cuz every day we just gotta be like “America bad”.
It’s bad enough without overdramatizing things.
…you realize it’s law in other countries, right? That’s the point of the meme.
Yes, billionaires get free healthcare and education for their children, I guess since that’s true America has free healthcare and education. /S
Idk, your argument sounds similar to me to saying “look at the success of these 6 billionaires! Why are you judging our country by our bottom 40%!?”
Every working person in BC under the Employment Standards Act gets at least 5 days paid sick leave and 2 weeks paid vacation. If you have to get lucky with the right job to get benefits I don’t think you can lay claim to them as a country.
So it’s not that certain jobs get paid maternity leave, it’s that some states do. In new york, I get 2 of the bottom 3 things. It’s not ideal that these things aren’t nationwide, but in some cases, states will take it upon themselves to make things better. We also pay more taxes in new york which people complain about, but i like what I get for it.
I’m not well versesd in the laws of the other countries listed in this post, but i think the inplication is that the governments mandate all the paid time off. You’re coworker has maternity leave because the company you work for offers it.
If the worst employment situations don’t include paid time off, then that proves it’s not mandatory for workers in the US to have.
in defense of canada we are their closest competition so its natural for them to get a bit lazy.
Canada, at least ontario, doesn’t have paid vacation for reg hourly workers. 4% comes of our cheque’s into our own vacation fund. If you dont use it, you get it back at the end of the year. (6% if over 5 years as you get a 3rd week)
where’s Russia and China on the list?
I had a look at the list and they’re not on the list,.like.wll the other countries that aren’t on the list.
I hope that helps? Just reiterating, the list that you’re looking at doesn’t have all the countries in the world. It’s a short list of countries.
I mean you could look at it and say oh wow that’s six of the G7 countries, which are considered the countries which largely steer 'western" democracy and have done for the last 50 odd years, plus sweden, which is widely considered to be the most progressive western democracy, and try to work out why one of the countries on that list is so ass backwards in its social welfare.
But maybe it’d be easier to draw a comparison between that and Russia, which is a thinly veiled dictatorship and was booted out of the G8 10 years ago when it annexed Crimea, and China, which is literally ruled by the Chinese communist party. Those are two very valid and worthwhile comparisons to America, the world’s leading liberal democracy.
Yeah but what’s the price of eggs in those countries?
Checkmate, libs 😎
Ours are probably more, but our chickens aren’t kept in quite such horrific conditions
Check back in a couple of months. Eggs might not even be in stores. Some old lady will take 3 eggs up to a cashier and ask the price. When she hears how much they are, she will sadly take 2 eggs back to the refrigerator case.
I believe only France is more expensive when adjusted.
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